The Father and the Mother (Earth, creation, Revelation, God)

[Willamena]

2)Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth

What is the "Father" in heaven? What does the metaphor (image) of "Father" represent?

What is the "water under the earth"? How does it relate to the heaven is cosmology?

Is the water a "Mother" counterpart to the "Father"?

If the Father is in heaven and the Mother under the earth, what image is appropriate for the dweller on Earth?

[JayHawes]

The Father in heaven is revealed as God the Father. He is called the father because his nature is that of a natural father who takes care of his children (creation). The Water under the earth is the water that was once trapped under the continents, and was caused to erupt causing the Flood of Noah.

I have no idea what you mean by "mother COunter-part" to the Father. Where do you gather that the mother is under the earth?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

Where do you gather that the mother is under the earth?

Metaphorical similarity with the father in heaven.

[Random]

http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm

Read above, Patty, the Essene book of Revelations from Qumran speaks of the Heavenly Father and Earthly Mother in tandem.

[Willamena]

Cool! Thank you. But is the Mother that *is* Earth a different idea than the Mother that is under the Earth?

[Random]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Cool! Thank you. But is the Mother that *is* Earth a different idea than the Mother that is under the Earth?

I'm afraid I don't know. I can't tell what you mean by "Mother under the Earth".

Also, the Earthly Mother may not be exactly identifiable with Gaia (ie. the Earth itself) but rather mortal women.

[Aupmanyav]

Willamena: I would answer only for the waters. Aryans considered it the life-force (apah). It was also the sun, because coming of the sun enlivened all things on earth. Aryan homeland was in the remote Arctic region, where the sun did not rise for nearly three months, the sun shown only for the long day of some seven months (One month each was for dawn and dusk - the 30 mornings, Ushas). The Aryans knew only seven suns as sons of Aditi (God mother), the eighth, Martanda (Mrt +Anda - Dead +Egg) was born undeveloped.

Coming of sun and release of life-giving waters was important to them. That is why they conducted 'Soma' sacrifices to strengthen Indra (Herakles in the Greek story) and his steed, who was to rescue the sun (or the cows - rays of the sun) from the dungeons where the dasas (Vritra, Namuchi, etc. - Titans in the Greek story) had imprisoned him, with the help of Sarama, a bich (Cerebrus, a dog in the Greek story). Coming of the sun released the life-giving waters (apah) which were supposed to come out in form of two rivers, one flowing east (Veh), and the other flowing west (Arag), from a spring 'Ardvi Sura Anahita' (in case of Zoroastrians) which is said to be on the lofty Hugar mountain (Hukeria), a portion of Alburz (the tower).

[Willamena]

Awesome. Thanks.

[Aupmanyav]

And why a dog or a bich, because around 4,000 BC sun rose along with the dog star on the day of vernal equinox when the Aryans began their new year. So the canine (Sirius) was involved in the rescue of the sun. The Greeks, soon after, parted from the Central Asian Aryans (including Iranian and Indian Aryans. Mythology is so close to history, people need to realise this.