Mystical symbolism in 'The Bard' (Moses, mysticism, soul, America)

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

...Erm the point is that this book may be of interest to anyone who likes Shakespeare? I'm really interested if you can actually post anything of relevance in a thread I post to. Perhaps you would like to discuss your favourite Shakespearean play. I haven't read them all, but I particulalry like 'A Midsummer Nights Dream'. What are your views on Puck and his symbolic connection to the Arcadian?

And I didn't say I wasn't interested in Mysticism, I just pointed out that maybe your aryan pagan hocus pocus wasn't really relevant in a section on Arabic parables/sayings...oh yes...and the inflammatory comments about Muslims in the same thread. I said this about 10 times in that thread but you chose to refuse to consider the topic...maybe you will be able to this time.

Favourite play?

Well to anwser your question...........hamlet and othello , oh and by the way your knowlegde is truely limited because my aryan faith as you put it is not a pagan religion.........for someone that has in his famliy a member that wheres the sacred thread of the hindu faith and a brahmin thru and thru i know about my faith and what its foundations are.

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Oh nehustan you began this joust not that long ago by first calling my faith pagan, then by going futher and saying that it is hocus pocus a direct point of disrepect to not only to my beloved krsna who hears all and knows all but also my ancesters and the brahmins that came before me............... oh feathersinhair this is not personal beloved for i'm placed within the self quite sercure..........but what does disturb me is how ignorant and deluded people become in this age of kali-yuga........to make a point nehustan, a real follower of ALLAH would never disrepect another mans faith weather they disagree or not, but beloved i follow the path of my babaji(krsna) so there can be no bad blood between you and i since that would signal attachment to maha-maya.

[Nehustan]

K let's look at the evidence...you first post in this thread was....

Originally Posted by Moses the God Archetype*

and your point is ............oh and by the way i thought mystical affairs was'nt your thing you being a untouchable and all.

I'm looking hard for the relevance to this thread.....but I'm missing it. It does however bear a striking resemblance to the thread in which we first met minus certain features a) this thread is not about Islam or a 'closed' section (i.e. relevant to that Faith) b.) It does not contain any mumbo jumbo which bears no relevance to the thread but it does have similarities in that a.) contain insults, to me this time rather than my fellow Muslims, which I find actually more agreeable and b.) has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. So lets progress....second post...

Originally Posted by Moses the God Archetype*

Well to anwser your question...........hamlet and othello , oh and by the way your knowlegde is truely limited because my aryan faith as you put it is not a pagan religion.........for someone that has in his famliy a member that wheres the sacred thread of the hindu faith and a brahmin thru and thru i know about my faith and what its foundations are.

Here you have at least managed to name two plays, albeit if only to use my stupid mistake as ammunition...a stupid mistake it should be added that could have easily been deleted without leaving a glaring gap, and would have hidden my mistake. I have no doubt that you are seeded from Brahmin stock, in fact if you had not said it....I would have suggested it. Now as to my calling the 'Hindu' faith pagan I think that it clearly is. I think broadly speaking pagan desribes a variety of faiths, from aboriginal animists, to those with pantheons, including those who make the gods of said pantheons manifest via idols/statues, and I suppose including the neo-pagan belief system prevalent in the West currently. I don't think I need to delineate where the beliefs recently gathered together and termed 'Hinduism' fall on this scale. But we are getting somewhere we have named plays by Shakespeare in this post....now maybe we can discuss them? I think as Ophelia was a tangent taken...Hamlet might be appropriate for your next post, it would be interesting what you might make of the symbolism in the play? That is unless your primary objective in entering this thread and engaging me once again was for an argument? Sorry for my presumption, but that is exactly what you did last time in the Islam section (and you got what you wanted as I told you!!!!!!)

now your last post...

Originally Posted by Moses the God Archetype*

Oh nehustan you began this joust not that long ago by first calling my faith pagan, then by going futher and saying that it is hocus pocus a direct point of disrepect to not only to my beloved krsna who hears all and knows all but also my ancesters and the brahmins that came before me...............oh feathersinhair this is not personal beloved for i'm placed within the self quite sercure..........but what does disturb me is how ignorant and deluded people become in this age of kali-yuga........to make a point nehustan, a real follower of ALLAH would never disrepect another mans faith weather they disagree or not, but beloved i follow the path of my babaji(krsna) so there can be no bad blood between you and i since that would signal attachment to maha-maya.

I must disagree. I did not come into the 'Hiduism' section and insult your faith you came into the islam section and began your rant (which you are also now doing, totally of topic again here!!! I may be wrong but was relevance does 'Kali-yuga' and 'Krsna' to Shakespeare?) which included criticism of Islamic leaders/fellow Muslims . I did call your faith pagan, it is. I did tell you to take your rants to a relevant section of the forum, they were (and are) irrelevant.

Finally I am not a follower of Allah, and this anthropomorphism clearly delineates the difference between our faiths, which is clear to anyone who knows the slightest thing about either faith. You must know the difference, I do. So one might ask what was your purpose in first visiting the Islamic section, as in all of your posts you found yourself unable to contribute to the discussion of Arabic proverbs/sayings, so much so that eventually all your posts were deleted. I do try, and quite often fail, to follow the prophets, and particularly Muhammad, which I suppose would make me a follower of Muhammad, but certainly not Allah. I am actually quite consoled that you decide that I am not a real Muslim (I presume that is what you meant by follower of Allah), if you had said anything different as a Hindu I would have been very worried.

But back to topic, and with your next post I will expect you to drop your puerile antics, to which I am replying in kind, and get on topic....Hamlet?????? Symbolism?????Mysticism??????

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by michel

I find Macbeth is the very best of all his works; the interweaving with the spiritual in it is a major part of the play..
"When shall we meet again, in thunder lightening or in rain ?.........." (sorry if I misquoted it, that is from memory.

The psychological analysis of Lady M is incredible; the play itself shows a remarkable knowledge of OCD, as for other psychological disfunctions.

I was going to answer your post first Michel, but wanted to get the above out of the way. I like the Scottish play....and I was trying to recall what the three women from Greek mythology were called....'fates'?

[Nehustan]

Yep just looked and it calls them "fates", both in Greek and Nordic traditions. I'm sure that this is a clear symbolic link...thoughts?

[Feathers in Hair]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Do you still have the paper on the painting????

I truly wish I did!


I love "MacBeth", too. I think the Fates are sometimes called the "Norns", depending on the culture or the tradition.

[Nehustan]

Yep I think you are right, 'Norns' sounds familiar...I just wiki'd and found that they were called the 'wierd' sisters...which as it states relates to wyrd...maybe there actually is a 'Hindu' eqivalent as I have heard people compare 'wyrd' to karma, not that I adhere to this comparison (N.B. Large space for you to make a relevant contribution to the thread with some cross cultural comparative religious input!!!!). I also have a soft spot for the Yew, and specifically the rune Eiwass as a bow fashioned from Yggsdaril....

[Feathers in Hair]

Yup, yup! "Wyrd" sisters, which is also a title of a "Discworld" book that is a wonderful homage to the play!

Moses, your posts in this thread are becoming more and more personal, and less and less relavant to the topic at hand. If you've got an issue with someone, please bring it to the attention of the moderators or admins. When you present it like this, it comes across as 'stalking' another member, which is not ethically responsible.