Israel stops fuel shipments; Gaza City goes dark (Earth, elders)

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by jewscout

actually that's exactly what i mean. If they stopped firing rockets and did something to show they cared about their own people and not about killing us we would help and i would support such help.

So the answer is Israel hurting the people of Gaza, too? Isn't that precisely the reason for the bombing in the first place . . . ? The bigger picture is a war for the identities and support of the people. Punishing the people for the acts of radicals eases the tension that should otherwise be there between decent, ordinary people and the radicals who need their support.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

So the answer is Israel hurting the people of Gaza, too? Isn't that precisely the reason for the bombing in the first place . . . ? The bigger picture is a war for the identities and support of the people. Punishing the people for the acts of radicals eases the tension that should otherwise be there between decent, ordinary people and the radicals who need their support.

Precisely! Why would anyone expect punishing a whole population to do anything other than drive many of them into the arms of the radicals?

[kai]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

So the answer is Israel hurting the people of Gaza, too? Isn't that precisely the reason for the bombing in the first place . . . ? The bigger picture is a war for the identities and support of the people. Punishing the people for the acts of radicals eases the tension that should otherwise be there between decent, ordinary people and the radicals who need their support.

they are not firing missiles because Israel is hurting anybody haven't you read the HAMAS charter i have posted some of it on this thread, its idealogical

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by kai

well what would you do ?

I would treat the people of Gaza with respect and kindness and help them to build a society in which they have a real stake so that supporting and harboring radicals becomes less and less attractive. A society under stress will increasingly become violent because the people who make it up have less and less to lose. When they have businesses, schools, medical care and chances to improve the world they are going to give to their kids, then they begin to feel the same way you and I do about terrorists.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by kai

they are not firing missiles because Israel is hurting anybody haven't you read the HAMAS charter i have posted some of it on this thread, its idealogical

You misunderstand me . . . they are firing missiles SO Israel WILL hurt the people, not because of Israel's past acts. Their "ideology" is just a PR campaign to justify the bombing that's part of the struggle for power and support among their own people (so is the bombing).

[kai]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

I would treat the people of Gaza with respect and kindness and help them to build a society in which they have a real stake so that supporting and harboring radicals becomes less and less attractive. A society under stress will increasingly become violent because the people who make it up have less and less to lose. When they have businesses, schools, medical care and chances to improve the world they are going to give to their kids, then they begin to feel the same way you and I do about terrorists.

they are not firing missiles because Israel is hurting anybody haven't you read the HAMAS charter i have posted some of it on this thread, its idealogical

[kai]

i am getting confused now

[kai]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

I would treat the people of Gaza with respect and kindness and help them to build a society in which they have a real stake so that supporting and harboring radicals becomes less and less attractive. A society under stress will increasingly become violent because the people who make it up have less and less to lose. When they have businesses, schools, medical care and chances to improve the world they are going to give to their kids, then they begin to feel the same way you and I do about terrorists.

thats if they are not killed for western ideas about schools ,medical care etc , you know what i mean Hamas is Taliban like