Do you still believe that Iran is developing Nuclear Weapon? (crucify, minority)

[greatcalgarian]

These diabolical statements come within barely a couple of weeks following the release of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report. The later confirms unequivocally that Iran's nuclear program is of a civilian nature and that Iran has neither the intention nor the capabilities to develop nuclear weapons:

Article IV (1): These modalities cover all remaining issues and the Agency [meaning IAEA] confirmed that there are no other remaining issues and ambiguities regarding Iran's past nuclear program and activities.

Article IV (3): The Agency's delegation is of the view that the agreement on the above issues shall further promote the efficiency of the implementation of safeguards in Iran and its ability to conclude the exclusive peaceful nature of the Iran's nuclear activities.

Article IV (4): The Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear materials at the enrichment facilities in Iran and has therefore concluded that it remains in peaceful use. (IAEA Report, italics added)

At the same token, the IAEA report is a slap in the face for Washington. It confirms the lack of legitimacy and criminal nature of US foreign policy as well as Washington's resolve to violate international law:

"The Bush administration’s abrupt dismissal of last Thursday’s IAEA report is one more sign that Washington has no interest in a diplomatic resolution to its confrontation with Tehran. Following Bush’s bellicose denunciations of Iran last week, the US has reiterated its intention to push for tougher UN sanctions against Tehran this month." (Peter Symond, Global Research, September 2007)

Western MSM never reported the truth of the situation of Iran nuclear energy program. Why? So that this can be used by the American government as a pretext to invade and attack Iran, same technique utilized for the Iraq war, on WMD and made that poor Collin Powell to lie in the UN.

Bush Administration War Plans directed against Iran

[YmirGF]

Heavens no GC. I was under the impression they were making a new edition of the Qur'an that glows in the dark. Talk about energy efficient.

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Yeah people still believe that Iran is in fact creating these weapons. This is in spite of the fact that IAEA annouces over and over that as far as they can tell, after extensive investigation into the matter, that Iran is not doing any such thing. See, the Bush and any other administration that wishes to follow in his wayward footsteps, can keep on telling the american people about wmd's and nuclear weapons, and the people will believe it. No way would american gov't and media lie about something so big. And people like you GC and me and others who don't buy it, are nothing more than conspiracy kooks. The truth is that this media has never been trustworthy, particularly about its enemies. Isn't it strange how america is always justified in spreading propoganda and killing people? Everyone they attack had it comming, and they are never truly wrong.

Genecosta said something very apt in another thread in this forum. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something like, america has placed into power every enemy they are attacking now. They created these enemies, and now wish to remove the old ones, and set up new gov't under US control. 100 years from now they'll be remove those "dark regimes". My question is who will remove this one?

If america is so comcerned with the overall well being of these other people, and wanting them to have democracy, why did they place into power these dictators, tyrants, and despots in the first place? What is so different now? Why was democracy not a concern then, but is such a great concern now that US will kill to enforce it?

At this stage in the game the media has successfull painted every muslim, and every muslim country as an enemy or a potential enemy. It is not difficult to crucify them in the media. So that makes it easy to use the same old tired line about wmd's, and no one will think twice about it because the muslims, terrorists that they are, are most likely involved in some unsavory activity. So either way, whether Iran is guilty of anything or not, they will be attacked.

As for the sanctions, how does that stop Iran from making weapons? This is what I mean.......it hurts immediately the civilian population and their ability to function as a society. What do the civilians have to do with any potential nuke program? WHy is it that they have to suffer at the hands of a sanction? Is that fair that their economy must grind to a hault little affecting the government, but greatly affecting the common Iranian? Just lik ein Iraq Saddam's regime suffered little, but the people....suffered a great deal. But you know, nobody cares about that. It ain't you and it ain't me so, whatever. Let the sanctions get tougher, last longer, let them all die. Then do an airstrike, bomb them, raze it to the ground. Then go in on foot, claim they are all insurgents and terrorists, finish killing them, topple the government, replace it with one you can better control...wash rinse repeat, until the muslims and their countries are a thing of the past.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

Yeah people still believe that Iran is in fact creating these weapons. This is in spite of the fact that IAEA annouces over and over that as far as they can tell, after extensive investigation into the matter, that Iran is not doing any such thing. See, the Bush and any other administration that wishes to follow in his wayward footsteps, can keep on telling the american people about wmd's and nuclear weapons, and the people will believe it. No way would american gov't and media lie about something so big. And people like you GC and me and others who don't buy it, are nothing more than conspiracy kooks. The truth is that this media has never been trustworthy, particularly about its enemies. Isn't it strange how america is always justified in spreading propoganda and killing people? Everyone they attack had it comming, and they are never truly wrong.

Genecosta said something very apt in another thread in this forum. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something like, america has placed into power every enemy they are attacking now. They created these enemies, and now wish to remove the old ones, and set up new gov't under US control. 100 years from now they'll be remove those "dark regimes". My question is who will remove this one?

If america is so comcerned with the overall well being of these other people, and wanting them to have democracy, why did they place into power these dictators, tyrants, and despots in the first place? What is so different now? Why was democracy not a concern then, but is such a great concern now that US will kill to enforce it?

At this stage in the game the media has successfull painted every muslim, and every muslim country as an enemy or a potential enemy. It is not difficult to crucify them in the media. So that makes it easy to use the same old tired line about wmd's, and no one will think twice about it because the muslims, terrorists that they are, are most likely involved in some unsavory activity. So either way, whether Iran is guilty of anything or not, they will be attacked.

As for the sanctions, how does that stop Iran from making weapons? This is what I mean.......it hurts immediately the civilian population and their ability to function as a society. What do the civilians have to do with any potential nuke program? WHy is it that they have to suffer at the hands of a sanction? Is that fair that their economy must grind to a hault little affecting the government, but greatly affecting the common Iranian? Just lik ein Iraq Saddam's regime suffered little, but the people....suffered a great deal. But you know, nobody cares about that. It ain't you and it ain't me so, whatever. Let the sanctions get tougher, last longer, let them all die. Then do an airstrike, bomb them, raze it to the ground. Then go in on foot, claim they are all insurgents and terrorists, finish killing them, topple the government, replace it with one you can better control...wash rinse repeat, until the muslims and their countries are a thing of the past.

Sanctions are never meant to achieve the said purpose, for example, in Iran case, to stop Iran from 'making nuclear weapon'. Similarly sanctions previously on Iraq also have never really with the objective of making Sadam to give up his WMD (which he has nothing to give up, since he has none)

Sanctions are American pre-war step, and it is very devastating. It is used to destroy the country defence by ruining the economy, making the citizen suffers etc. Following sanctions, you will see invasion, as in the case of Iraq.

In the case of North Korea, because this country has been isolated for so long, that American imposed sanction did not work well. The Korean people are also very proud of their own nations, and most of them (of course there is a minority who have no backbones, selfish, and easily seduced to go against their own country men) will even eat the root during famine, and will not give in to the American. By their perseverence, they managed to complete their target of semi-successfully tested the nuclear weapon all developed by themselves (Just like the Chinese, with some initial help from the Russia, and in the case of Korea, perhaps some initial help from China?), and the sanctions did not work, and America has to eat the humble pie, and work out a peace deal.

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Sanctions are never meant to achieve the said purpose, for example, in Iran case, to stop Iran from 'making nuclear weapon'. Similarly sanctions previously on Iraq also have never really with the objective of making Sadam to give up his WMD (which he has nothing to give up, since he has none)

Sanctions are American pre-war step, and it is very devastating. It is used to destroy the country defence by ruining the economy, making the citizen suffers etc. Following sanctions, you will see invasion, as in the case of Iraq.

This is the part people don't talk about. Of course history, especially recent history, tells us that sanctions are indeed a pre-war step. They do as you said, devastate a whole populace, making htem so weak they cannot fight when the ground attack begins. The people who do end up fighting aren't insrugents dressed like civies, they ARE civilians, fighting for what little they have left. After all the vast majority of the fighters must be civilian because they have no army. When was the last time you saw an Iraqi army outfit? What does it look like? What about an afghani army fatigues? Nope, never saw them.

[moegypt]

In my point of view,

No,

Iran is not developing nuclear weapon.

[Reverend Rick]

Perception is more important than reality. The question should be, does the United States and Isreal believe they are and why?

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Both the US and Israel are smart cookies. They know full well Iran isn't doing anything wrong when it comes to the weapons. Your question would be a good and sensible one IF we believed the US and its lover Israel were acting in good faith, and was really trying to safeguard the world from the viscious Iran gathering nukes to kill people.........

I can't even begin to believe that any act done by this government concerning anything in the ME is an act of good will, and genuine concern.

[Dirty Penguin]

Can we really be sure that the US isn't still developing nuclear weapons?

Ok...ok....maybe I've been watching too many movies dealing with conspiracy. I'm just sayin'.....With a country such as ours (US) and all of its levels of security (maybe some of which the president himself is not high enough to access) we're not telling the whole truth.....

Just my opinion....