The nature of Hamas (America, mission, suicide, Israel, Jewish)

[Jaiket]

I believe it's a disgrace to confuse Hamas and Hezbollah with 'legitimate resistance'.

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Even using "resistance" to an illegal "occupation" by Israel clearly reveals an anti-semetic (by that I mean anti-Jewish) and anti-Israel perspective...

I believe the ISM is (legitimately) resisting an illegal (and immoral) occupation by Israel. Would you say that reveals an anti-Jewish perspective on my part?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Jaiket

I believe it's a disgrace to confuse Hamas and Hezbollah with 'legitimate resistance'.

I believe the ISM is (legitimately) resisting an illegal (and immoral) occupation by Israel. Would you say that reveals an anti-Jewish perspective on my part?

Because the lands that Israel occupies (or occupied) was done so defensively because the surrounding Arab countries are generally happy to tolerate their citizens or foreigners (whether organized into groups like Hamas or Hizbullah) to indiscrimately kill Jews from within their borders in an attempt to utterly destroy Israel.

I have no sympathy at all for the shoot and whine tactics of the Middle East. They brutally attack Israel and then whine about the consequences.

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Because the lands that Israel occupies (or occupied) was done so defensively because the surrounding Arab countries are generally happy to tolerate their citizens or foreigners (whether organized into groups like Hamas or Hizbullah) to indiscrimately kill Jews from within their borders in an attempt to utterly destroy Israel.

I do not believe that is the entire truth.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Jaiket

I do not believe that is the entire truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...flict_timeline

1951

The State of Israel is confronted by a wave of Palestinian infiltrations. In 1951, 137 Israelis, mostly civilians, are killed by such infiltrators.
1952

162 Israelis, mostly civilians, are killed by Palestinian infiltrators.

1953
160 Israelis, mostly civilians, are killed by Palestinian infiltrators. On October 12, a Jewish mother and her two children are killed by Jordanian infiltrators.

May 8, 1970

Avivim school bus massacre. Palestinian militants originating in Lebanon, attack a school bus, kiling 12 (mostly children) and wounding another 19.

October 1973

The Yom Kippur War. Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Iraq surprise-attack Israeli forces in the Golan Heights and the Sinai Peninsula on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Israel is victorious.

April 11, 1974

Kiryat Shmona massacre, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command cross the border into Israel from Lebanon. They enter an apartment building and kill all eighteen residents, half of which are children.

May 15, 1974

Ma'alot massacre. Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine attack a van killing two Israeli Arab women, enter an apartment and kill a family, take over a local school and hold at least 90 students and teachers hostage. 26 Israelis killed, 60 wounded.
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March 4, 1975

Savoy Operation. Eight Palestinian terrorists in two teams landed by boat in Tel Aviv. Shooting and throwing grenades, they capture the Savoy Hotel and take the guests as hostages. Five hostages were freed and eight were killed. Three Israeli soldiers were also killed

July 4, 1976

Operation Entebbe. Air France Flight 139, originating in Tel Aviv, Israel took off from Athens, Greece, heading for Paris, France, is hijacked by four terrorists (two from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine — External Operations and two from the radical German militant group "Revolutionäre Zellen"). Israel performs a rescue mission to free the 248 passengers and 12 crew members held hostage at the Entebbe Airport in Uganda. The rescue is only partially successful, with one Israeli fatality.

March, 1978

Coastal Road Massacre. Fatah Palestinians kill an American photographer, hijack a loaded bus and kill 36 more Israelis and wound 76.
Operation Litani. Following the terrorist attacks and cross-border raids, Israel, in alliance with the mostly Christian South Lebanon Army, launches a limited-scope invasion of Lebanon and attempts to push Palestinian militant groups away from the Israel border. The 7-day offensive results in about 285,000 refugees created and between 300 and 1200 Lebanese and Palestinian militants and civilians killed.

September 17, 1978

Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat sign the Camp David Accord, with Israel agreeing to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for peace and a framework for future negotiation over the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

April 6, 1994

Hamas carries out their first Palestinian suicide bombing, in Afula, Israel, killing 8 people.

June 1, 2001

Dolphinarium massacre. A Hamas suicide bomber exploded himself at the entrance of a club. 21 Israelis killed, over 100 injured, all youth.
Five months prior to the bombing, there was a failed terrorist attempt at the same spot.
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August 9, 2001

Sbarro restaurant massacre. A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt weighing 5 to 10 kilograms, containing explosives, nails, nuts and bolts, detonated his bomb. In the blast 15 people (including 7 children) were killed, and 130 wounded. Both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad initially claimed responsibility.
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October 17, 2001

Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated in Jerusalem by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

[angellous_evangellous]

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March 27, 2002

Passover massacre. The Park Hotel in Netanya held a big Passover dinner for its 250 guests. A Palestinian suicide bomber enters the hotel's dining room and detonates an explosive device. Thirty people are killed and about 140 injured, all civilians. Hamas claims responsibility.

March 31, 2002

Matza restaurant massacre. A Palestinian Hamas bomber blows himself up in an Arab-owned restaurant in Haifa, killing 15 (including 2 whole families) and injuring over 40 people.
Israeli troops exchange gunfire with guards of Yasir Arafat in Ramallah. In the past 18 months, according to the Associated Press, 1262 people have been killed on the Palestinian side and on 401 on the Israeli side; in March, 259 Palestinians and 130 Israelis were killed. The stats do not distinguish between combatants and non-combatants.

June 18, 2002

Patt junction massacre. A Hamas Palestinian Islamic law student explodes himself with a belt filled with metal balls for shrapnel. 19 Israelis killed, and over 74 wounded.
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November 21, 2002

Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. Hamas Palestinian suicide bomber explodes himself on a crowded bus, killing 11 people, and wounding over 50.
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August 19, 2003

Jerusalem bus 2 massacre. A Hamas Palestinian disguised as a Haredi Jew detonates himself with a bomb spiked with ball-bearings on a bus crowded with children. 23 Israelis killed, over 130 wounded, all civilians.
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October 4, 2003

Maxim restaurant suicide bombing. A 28-year-old Palestinian female suicide bomber, Hanadi Jaradat, explodes herself inside the Maxim restaurant in Haifa. 21 Israelis, Jews and Arabs were killed, and 51 others were wounded. The restaurant is co-owned by Jewish and Christian Arab Israelis, and was a symbol of co-existence.
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February 25, 2005

On Friday evening, young Israelis arrive for a surprise birthday party at the Stage Club in Tel Aviv. A teenage suicide bomber detonates himself at the entrance to the club. 5 Israelis killed, and about 50 wounded. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.[6]

July 5, 2006

First Qassam rocket of increased strength is fired into the school yard in the Southern Israeli coastal city of Ashkelon. This has been the first instance of an increased distance Qassam rockets can reach and the first time a significantly large city has been attacked. No one was injured in this attack.[10]
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June 25, 2006

After crossing the border from the Gaza Strip into Israel, Palestinian militants attack an Israeli army post. The militants kidnapped Gilad Shalit, killed two IDF soldiers and wounded four others. Israel launches Operation Summer Rains.
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July 12, 2006

Hezbollah infiltrates Israel in a cross-border raid, kidnaps two soldiers and kills three others. Israel attempts to rescue the kidnapped, and five more soldiers are killed. Israel's military responds, and the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict begins.

[maro]

Originally Posted by jewscout

it's anti-jewish rhetoric and insistance that the only way for there to be peaceful jewish-muslim relations is in a situation of jewish subserviance to muslims (Article 31)

from Article 7 of the Hamas Charter:


from article 28


the charter also reinforces anti-jewish teachings such as jewish world domination and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

first, it's the land of muslims originally
and u came as invaders
we have all right to regain our superamcy over it

after I saw the link I have posted above
I don't wonder if they think u r cowards


*** another thing I wanted to make clear,
we don't hate the jewish
instead, we hate the Zionists
I think there is a difference

I even saw jewish Americans on T.v. offending the "Qana 2 " massacre ,
made lately by israel in lebanon

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by maro

first, it's the land of muslims originally
and u came as invaders
we have all right to regain our superamcy over it

What about the rights of the Romans? They were in the area before a Muslim ever showed up. I don't hear Italians screaming to reclaim old territories. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?

Originally Posted by maro

after I saw the link I have posted above
I don't wonder if they think u r cowards

Oh, I am sure they DO think that... but what exactly is your point? I doubt Jews need to be reminded that they are hated by many zealous, self-righteous people.

Originally Posted by maro

*** another thing I wanted to make clear,
we don't hate the jewish
instead, we hate the Zionists
I think there is a difference

Odd. I don't see it. Last time I looked hatred was still hatred. You might want to rethink this.

Originally Posted by maro

I even saw jewish Americans on T.v. offending the "Qana 2 " massacre ,
made lately by israel in lebanon

Do you realize that I am personally offended by seeing a woman in a hajib? Sorry... I don't see your point. Um, you did have a point, didn't you?