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Buttercup · #91 09-03-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezzedean

I believe that God is on their side since the "power house" Israel can't even stop them with all their military power.... they haven't and never will..

Peace and Blessings

Good grief Ezzedean my dear. How can you even say this as a man of God and right afterwards say Peace and Blessings? Do you have a direct line to God and his musings? God would want peace. Of that I am completely certain. It is our job to promote peace vigourously. Anything less and we should feel ashamed.

Ezzedean · #92 09-03-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Djamila

You have to be very careful about these things, Ezzedean. Now, I understand that Hezbollah is much more than just a terrorist group. Its social wing, boy scouts clubs and so on, is much larger than its militant wing and it provides to the Lebanese people to a degree both the Lebanese government and the international community are unable or unwilling to match or surpass.

I also understand that their attack was against a legitimate, military target. I surely understand Israel's dismal record, you're more likely to die as a civilian at the hands of the Israeli Army than at the hands of Hezbollah - which is shameful.

But you need to look at what Hezbollah's true objectives are. Now, the Lebanese people may be willing to support Hezbollah for as long as they require liberation and full control over their territory. But once that goal is met, Hezbollah will not simply vanish. It will become an enemy not only of the Israelis but also of the Lebanese. So there's no harm in beginning reforms now.

You can still have a resistence force as long as it exists only to resist the illegal occupation. Once it exists as a means of revenge, or anything of this nature, then it is counter-productive.

Sit back and imagine that Israel vacates the Sheeba Farms and all of Lebanon is united and free. Imagine the country Israel destroyed is rebuilt, the bodies are all given proper burials and the tourists once again return. Even though the Lebanese people have not gotten justice for their suffering, don't you think it would be best in their interest to continue on a path of peace? Now if Hezbollah carried out an attack at that time, then no reason remains besides revenge and then they're as bad as the Israeli forces, they're using collective punishment as well.

So you have to be careful to choose your bed fellows wisely because while the desires of all of Lebanon's people are repsented in Hezbollah, Hezbollah's desires go above and beyond that to a place few Lebanese would be willing to go. Lebanon doesn't have the religious fanaticism you find in Israel. There are no Muslim-only settlements or Christian-only roads, or Lebanese-only apartment blocks, cafes, and so on. The Lebanese people, I'm sure, don't want to treat the Isrealis the way they've been treated. Hezbollah does.

So, all I can say is construct a morally defensible resistence force now, because once the Lebanese people have all the rights and freedoms they deserve, it will be too late.

If there is truly peace, then hezballah will stop. Tell me why you don't think this will happen? Hezballah formed to bring peace and to liberate Lebanon. You are assuming after Lebanon receives all those things you mentioned (freedom, proper burial, rebuilt, tourists, sheeba farms and peace) that Hezballah will continue to attack. Why do you assume that?

Are you saying that if Lebanon get's peace and the freedoms they deserve that Hezballah should just leave? I sure hope that's not what you mean because if Hezballah leaves, Lebanon will get taken advantage of. Hezballah needs to stay and make sure Lebanon maintains that freedom.

Peace and Blessings

Djamila · #93 09-03-2006, 05:14 PM

I believe they will continue to attack, Ezzedean, based on what their leadership has said over the years. I really do believe they would betray you that badly. I just hope you'll be careful, truly. I want only that you can live happy and free lives.

ayani · #94 09-03-2006, 05:19 PM

Djamila- those images did my heart good. it's great to see the good that can come from wise and well-guided fronts for peace.

Ezzedean · #95 09-03-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buttercup

Good grief Ezzedean my dear. How can you even say this as a man of God and right afterwards say Peace and Blessings? Do you have a direct line to God and his musings? God would want peace. Of that I am completely certain. It is our job to promote peace vigourously. Anything less and we should feel ashamed.

I agree that God wants peace Buttercup, but I also believe that God works in mysterious ways. Do you believe that Hezballah doesn't want peace? Do you believe that Hezballah was just fighting Israel out of pure hatred? Israel was occupying Lebanon and they stepped in to stop it... Just as much as God would want peace he also wouldn't want Israel occupying land in which they had no right to.

I can see how those comments may have shocked you, but I said "I believe", I didn't say that they definately were protected by God, which should show that I don't have a direct line with God. Coming from a person who has been to Lebanon, and who has family there, Hezballah has done a lot of great things for that country, and is loved. The main goal is peace, and I believe that Hezballah wants to reach that goal... God has wiped out nations before, God has condoned Moses' military ways, God protected Muhammed in many battles (against people who were fighting against God), although God would want peace, peace doesn't come for free. I don't doubt that God could just make it be, because I'm sure he could but he wants us, you and me, to reach it... and the governments of the world are making it impossible to happen without force. Sad but true... and during that force I believe one side is right and another is wrong, and God will side with the one whom is right. Does that mean that I can't wish peace and blessings because I believe in such a thing? No. If I was being opressed because of who I was I would fight, and I believe we as human beings have that right.

Peace and Blessings

Ezzedean · #96 09-03-2006, 05:34 PM

BTW I don't doubt that God would want us to reach peace without war... and I also belive that the people who are making it come down to war and who are being untruthful in negotiations, and who are lying to the people through media, will pay a horrible horrible price.

ayani · #97 09-03-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezzedean

I agree that God wants peace Buttercup, but I also believe that God works in mysterious ways. Do you believe that Hezballah doesn't want peace? Do you believe that Hezballah was just fighting Israel out of pure hatred? Israel was occupying Lebanon and they stepped in to stop it...

and they did a great job of ::that:: didn't they? the stopping it and what not?

regardless, Hezbollah is more popular in Lebanon than ever. why did they kidknap those guys anyway? and why did Israel repond by, in part, bombing civillian houses? killing kids? the whole thing just makes so little sense to me. i don't know how either side can claim to be righteous or to have won.

Ezzedean · #98 09-03-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Djamila

I believe they will continue to attack, Ezzedean, based on what their leadership has said over the years. I really do believe they would betray you that badly. I just hope you'll be careful, truly. I want only that you can live happy and free lives.

Alhumduileh I live in Canada and I am able to live a life that you wish for me, and I wish the same for you... it is my family back home who I am worried about. I find it hard to believe that Hezballah will do what you believe they will do, but I also find it hrd to believe that Israel will ever make peace... so we will never be able to find out if Hezballah would maintain it.

Ezzedean · #99 09-03-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gracie

and they did a great job of ::that:: didn't they? the stopping it and what not?

regardless, Hezbollah is more popular in Lebanon than ever. why did they kidnap those guys anyway? and why did Israel repond by, in part, bombing civillian houses? killing kids? the whole thing just makes so little sense to me. i don't know how either side can claim to be righteous or to have won.

They did remove Israel Gracie... after 18 years of occupation Hezballah kicked Israel out of Lebanon in 2000. It was in 2006 when the fighting started again, 6 years later. Now you ask why? I will tell you why. My parents were in Lebanon for a month and got back home one week before the attacks started. When they came home one of the interesting things they told me was that everyday, once a day, Israeli military planes would fly over Lebanon and scope it out. This was a daily activity Buttercup, a daily activity which is not aloud to be done. If another countries military planes were to fly over the U.S on a daily basis, those planes wouldn't be making it back home. Anyway, Israel has thousands of Lebanese prisoners.. this is a fact. So Hezballah captured those soldiers in hopes to negotiate them for the Lebanese prisoners back, but instead what they received was a barrage of attacks on Lebanese land. So rightfully so, Hezballah faught back... what else were they supposed to do?

I know you might not believe me when I say this, but I'm being dead honest with you. I wish it would all just stop. I wish it never happened, and I wish it never happens again... but growing up my whole life hearing about these things I've come to understand that it's gonna take a lot for this problem in the middle east to come to an end.... can anybody say the second coming?

Peace and Blessings Gracie (I honestly mean that)