Reform/Liberal Messianic Judaism? (Moses, Torah, tradition, soul, homosexuality)

[Mind_Zenith]

I've always wondered, are there any Reform or Progressive Messianic Jewish Groups, like that accept gays or whatever?

I know there's some that believe that the law of Moses is no longer viable, because of either Yeshua or because they have a similar view to Reform Jews.

Anyone know of any orgs or websites for "Reform" MJ's, if there are any?

Thanks for the help!
Pease,
-Zenith

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by Mind_Zenith

I've always wondered, are there any Reform or Progressive Messianic Jewish Groups, like that accept gays or whatever?

OK, a bit of an overview first. Reform is branch of Judaism, not necessarily the same as Progressive. While it's true that Reform is seen as Progressive, some individual communities can be rather conservative/traditional. I should know, I'm affiliated with one. So, each Reform and/or Messianic communities are like individuals, with wide variation in 'political' (for lack of a better term) identity. 'Accepting gays or whatever'... of course Reform and Messianic groups accept gays (assuming you mean Jewish Gays).

I know there's some that believe that the law of Moses is no longer viable, because of either Yeshua or because they have a similar view to Reform Jews.

AFAIK, no Jewish groups (even Humanistic Judaism) think the 'law of Moses is no longer viable'. Torah is the heart and soul of the Jew. The key is how one interprets the law and applies it in one's life. Now, I am not an expert on gays but I do know that Torah law does not condemn gays per se but specific homosexual sexual acts. Therefore I would not automatically assume a Gay Jew was in violation of these specific laws just because the person is gay. Yes, it is a bit of a 'Don't ask/Don't tell' mindset, but everyone has their own problems it's their place to come to terms with these issues, not mine.

Yeshua by his own words tells us 'not one dot if an i' is to be removed from the Torah so no, these laws would not be considered 'no longer viable' by his teachings.

[Mind_Zenith]

Just a note:
By "gay", I meant all of what it means to be homosexual: not just having feelings to people of the same sex, but actually being able to act on such if one so desires. I should have said "homosexual", my bad lol.

Also, by "Liberal", "Reform" and "Progressive", I was not referring to the denominations, but

You may want to note that I have about as much knowledge about the Torah and other facets of Judaism and Christianity as much as I do quantum chemistry. I mean, it's probably not rocket surgery, but I never even set my eyes on a Bible

My "Progressive Jewish" friend I've got here says he doesn't believe the Torah to be entirely applicable in this day, with many of the laws being due to personal cleanness or health, including the laws against homosexual intercourse. He also doesn't like that you indicated homosexuality was a "problem", but this is my account, not his

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