Servant candle of Chanukah,How can we light others until He who is the light comes (Jesus Christ, ritual)

[God is love]

The servant candle is higher on the Minorah, {candlestick} than the other candles. It shines down on the others. It is a similitude of the Messiah.
Isaiah chapter 42, 49, 50
and Isaiah 53:11
"He shall see the travail of his soul and shall be satisfied, by his knowledge shall my RIGHTEOUS SERVANT justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities."
In this scripture, the Messiah is a servant of God.

In the millenium, the light of the Messiah, the light of Christ, His radience will light the Temple. Then the candlestick will not be needed to light the Temple. Jesus the Christ will be the light that lights the world.

Jesus said "I am the light of the world." John 8:12

Isaiah 30:26
"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of His people and healeth the stroke of their wound."
This will be an amzing light that will radiate outwards across the world.

"But if we WALK IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ, His son, cleanseth us from all sin."

He is the light that will show us the way.

I love this analogy

The Minorah {candlestick} is placed by the window for all to see.
God wants us to "LET OUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN that they may see your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven."
Matthew 5:16

In Israel at this time of Chanukah giant Minoras are lit on tops of hills, you can see them for miles around. This reminds me of this scripture Matthew14-15
"YE ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. A CITY THAT IS SET ON A HILL CANNOT BE HID."
This is such a beautiful analogy.
verse 15
"Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel but ON A CANDLE STICK AND IT GIVETH LIGHT UNTO ALL THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE. {as it does in the Temple}
These scriptures are a portrait of Chanukah.

Until The Messiah, Jesus the Christ comes again and lights the Temple with His brilliance and the world so that all shall know Him, we should shine our light before men. We should show the light within us, the light of truth, the light of the revealed gospel.

"Thousands of canles can be lighted from a single candle and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared." This is not a quote of the scriptures. It is a quote that I found on the internet that was a saying of Buddha. I was hesitant to place this quote on here because it was a quote from the originator of another religeon but I am not Buddhist and I am not speaking of a belief or doctrine that is against that of Judaism. I am quoting this because it has truth that is relative to this servant candle symbolism. When we share truth, it doesn't diminish the truth within us. That is,
1. If we share the truth after praying that God's Spirit attend us to give to us the right words at the right time, that He will ready their spirits to recieve it with thankfulness.
2. "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness..." 1 Peter 3:15

I described the spiritual significance of Chanukah in another post that I posted in Judaism so I could share some truths with the non messianic Jews. I wanted to be like the servant candle to them but I also wanted to show respect so I didn't include the name of Jesus. I thought it wisdom to post His significance to the understanding of Chanukah in this room. I thought this wise because when I posted "Rosh Hashana, a rehearsal for the coming of the Messiah", a person requested a moderator move it and it was moved to Messianic Judaism.

If you would like to see the post that gives the history of Chanukah and the end time message that it holds, how it foreshadows a future time that was prophesied in Daniel 11:21-35, of a future leader that will repeat history, it's in Judaism.

"He that keepeth thee {Israel} shall not slumber." Psalms 121:3

Amos 9:14 offers good news, a final victory.


Jesus celebrated Chanukah John 10:22,24
He walked in the Temple at the time of this celbration and said "my sheep hear my voice"

Love you,

SHALOM

[Terrywoodenpic]

That was very interesting
as a Christian I know next to nothing about Messianic Judaism, and I am sure that is true for many of us.
Where would I find a fairly consice explanation of the faith?


Terry___________________
Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

That was very interesting
as a Christian I know next to nothing about Messianic Judaism, and I am sure that is true for many of us.
Where would I find a fairly consice explanation of the faith?


Terry___________________
Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God

the problem is Terry how one defines the term "Messianic Jew" because, as Binyamin pointed out in another thread the term can mean any jew who believes in the concept of the Moshiach or the Messianic age, which DOES NOT mean a belief that Jesus was the Moshiach.
the other way of defining it is a person who believes that Jesus fulfilled that role (i.e. Jews 4 Jesus) and somehow is merging the Christian Gospels and writings of Paul w/ the Tanach.
i think to do so undermines both faiths, frankly i do not understand how one can reconcile the writings in Galatians with the Torah.
you CAN NOT call the Mitzvot of the Torah something good and then in the same breath believe a teaching that calls it a curse.

the concept of "Messianic Jew" in the latter sense just does not compute for me.

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by jewscout

the problem is Terry how one defines the term "Messianic Jew"

the concept of "Messianic Jew" in the latter sense just does not compute for me.

From what you say A messianic Jew who accepts Jesus as the messiah. is a sub set of Judaism.

Your problems with it indicate it is a far from mainstream belief, as such, this is in itself interesting
as it has managed to exist for a very long time, so must have some well established beliefs.

That it was not subsumed into Christianity also indicates, as you suggest, it has problems for Christians.

Terry____________________--
Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God

[Deut 13:1]

Shouldn't this be in Christianity forum? The fact remains in no scripture is Chanukah mentioned, so stop pulling verses out of your *** and saying they have to do with Mr. J. I'm getting really sick of people continuously saying Isaiah 53 is about Mr. J when the 3 previous servant songs it clearly states who the "My Servant" is, Israel. If you care to educate yourself look at the following verses: Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3 and implicitly Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10. Furthermore, sitting here and saying because the capital h in He is capitalized means absolutely nothing since it is an interpretation.

Again, I'm a Messianic Jew and almost every Jew I know is as well, stop acting like I'm not, just take this garbage which means nothing in Judaism and put it where it belongs, in the Christianity forums. This is J4J which if anything is an oxymoron. No one in the Judaism section cares what Mr. J said according to Luke, Mark, John or whomever else. So please, I beg of you, stop acting like a Ford is a car, but a Kia isn't. Just because you choose to term the word Messianic Jew differently, doesn't mean we will. So either discuss Chanukah form the Jewish standpoint, or take the opening post of yours and toss it in the Christian forums, where it belongs.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

From what you say A messianic Jew who accepts Jesus as the messiah. is a sub set of Judaism.

No, it's something totally different, called: Christianity.

[Deut 13:1]

If anyone actually cares about the reason behind having the Shammus candle, the reason behind it is simple.

The Chanukkah candles are for pleasure only; we are not allowed to use them for any productive purpose. We keep an extra one around (the shammus), so that if we need to do something useful with a candle, we don't accidentally use the Chanukkah candles. The shammus candle is at a different height so that it is easily identified as the shammus.

http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday7.htm

That's the Jewish perspective, if you want a CHRISTIAN perspective, post it somewhere else, not in our forum. That's like me going into the Christian forums and posting large chunks of Talmud.

On second though, maybe I should...

[sushannah]

Anyone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah and that he is divine (or part of the trinity, or however you may express this concept) is a Christian, plain and simple.

I think the problem may be that they have never studied enough to know that the Jewish concept of Messiah never ever meant that G-d comes in the flesh and dies for peoples sins. the Messiah could not ever be G-d because G-d himself states that he is only one G-d. G-d coming to earth in the form of a Messiah is foreign to Judaism.

If anyone could show me where the concept of the Messiah who if G-d himself is stated clearly and unequivically in the tanakh is, then I would believe it. When I say clearly, I mean clearly, not some obscure interpretation of a passage. I believe that if this is what G-d was saying all along, G-d would have said it clearly.