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Old 09-19-2007, 03:25 PM
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I recently learned in Microbiology class that a virus has no organelles, it's just a sack of DNA or RNA. It has to live within another cell in order to function. It uses the cell's organelles, then reproduces until the cell bursts.
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For biological Earthly life though, i stick to the above requirements of which a virus only fulfills numbers 2, 5 and 7, with #1 being partially fulfilled.
It doesn't quite fulfill #7 either, does it? It's been a while, but as I recall, viruses don't reproduce, but inject mRNA into a host cell to alter the reproductive machinery of the host so that it creates viruses.
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However, i would be willing to extend my own personal definition of a life form to robotic or alien life of as yet unknown construct - which would require their own defined characteristics.
For biological Earthly life though, i stick to the above requirements of which a virus only fulfills numbers 2, 5 and 7, with #1 being partially fulfilled
Does a virus not meet # 6? It does respond once in a cell.... it moves its dna/rna to the cell to be reproduced.

Does a virus not eventually fall into #4? It does evolve and grow, just like bacteria etc...

Does a virus not have one up on a human to #1? It remains in a constant state despite not needing to sweat, etc....

I'd have to think about #2 for a while, but very good point I can use in further arguements about this.... since I don't know where I stand.....
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It doesn't quite fulfill #7 either, does it? It's been a while, but as I recall, viruses don't reproduce, but inject mRNA into a host cell to alter the reproductive machinery of the host so that it creates viruses.
I believe that's a form of reproduction...

"Reproduction is the biological process by which new individual organisms are produced."

New individual viruses are produced (is it accurate when it says "...organisms..." ?)
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I believe that's a form of reproduction...

"Reproduction is the biological process by which new individual organisms are produced."

New individual viruses are produced (is it accurate when it says "...organisms..." ?)
Okay. I can see that. Though it's not strictly "sexual" or "asexual" reproduction. It doesn't involve either mitosis or meiosis.
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I recently learned in Microbiology class that a virus has no organelles, it's just a sack of DNA or RNA. It has to live within another cell in order to function. It uses the cell's organelles, then reproduces until the cell bursts.
They do reproduce and evolve. Is not all "life" made up of DNA/RNA... just like a virus?

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and a human by itself can do nothing either...... never reproduce.

A virus can survive longer than a human, as it needs nothing to survive like a human, but it needs something else to reproduce and evolve as a human does....

So what do we classify a virus as?
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So what do we classify a virus as?
A replicator.
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A virus without a host cell can do nothing.
I agree with comet on that part.
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