Feminist baptisms

[spiritually inclined]

Feminist Baptismal Formula

Do you think these baptisms are valid?

Why or why not?

I personally find much of the talk about valid sacraments as opposed to invalid sacraments trivial and superstitious.

James

[PureX]

Her Baptism prayer is the more accurate.

[Troublemane]

The words are the same, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

...actually I think its kind'a kewl. PureX is right they are more accurate.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by spiritually inclined

Feminist Baptismal Formula

Do you think these baptisms are valid?

Why or why not?

I personally find much of the talk about valid sacraments as opposed to invalid sacraments trivial and superstitious.

James

Perhaps then the Church should excommunicate her immediately and stop whining about it, that is exactly what I would do (if I was Archbishop) to someone who was perverting a religion she was entrusted to uphold for her own amusements, its not all about her and her feminist beliefs, she supposedly has a diocese to minister to.

She is out of line and should create her own schism and leave the Anglican Church.

Still they allowed women to be vicars, their own stupid fault.

[spiritually inclined]

The above comments are sickening. How is this perversion of a religion? Isn't patriarchy perverted? Religions will always evolve to accommodate changing social views, more sophisticated images of the divine, new knowledge and scientific fact.

Believe it or not, she does have a diocese to minister to and it looks like she's doing just that. She is performing baptisms. Does it really matter that the words are gender neutral? The gospels are not history. They are not eyewitness accounts. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Therefore, Jesus probably never uttered the baptismal formula recorded in Matthew 28:19. Acts doesn't even mention the formula: it usually speaks of baptisms performed in the name of the Lord or Jesus (which doesn't mean they necessarily spoke a formula.)

She doesn't need to leave the Anglican Church. There are lots of people on her side.

Your last comment about women reveals a lot about your bigoted sexist mentality.

James

[Tau]

Originally Posted by spiritually inclined

The above comments are sickening. How is this perversion of a religion? Isn't patriarchy perverted? Religions will always evolve to accommodate changing social views, more sophisticated images of the divine, new knowledge and scientific fact.

Believe it or not, she does have a diocese to minister to and it looks like she's doing just that. She is performing baptisms. Does it really matter that the words are gender neutral? The gospels are not history. They are not eyewitness accounts. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Therefore, Jesus probably never uttered the baptismal formula recorded in Matthew 28:19. Acts doesn't even mention the formula: it usually speaks of baptisms performed in the name of the Lord or Jesus (which doesn't mean they necessarily spoke a formula.)

She doesn't need to leave the Anglican Church. There are lots of people on her side.

Your last comment about women reveals a lot about your bigoted sexist mentality.

James

You reckon James?

I personally would have women priests in my religion but the Bible clearly says you can't, I am not a Christian so I don't understand how the anglican church can pick what it likes from Christianity yet still call itself a christian church.
That female vicar must at least honour the faith she was entrusted to uphold, sexist or otherwise.

I am not sexist James but you can label me whatever you want, I really don't care, I know myself.

[spiritually inclined]

I personally would have women priests in my religion but the Bible clearly says you can't, I am not a Christian so I don't understand how the anglican church can pick what it likes from Christianity yet still call itself a christian church.
That female vicar must at least honour the faith she was entrusted to uphold, sexist or otherwise.

That is a very narrow view of the Bible and Christianity. Why do you think such narrow beliefs should speak for all Christians? Why should Christians not confront the bigotry in their religious texts and traditions while keeping what is valuable? All religions change. All societies change. Christianity is forced to be subjected to change, especially when it comes in contact with other cultures.

I am not sexist James but you can label me whatever you want, I really don't care, I know myself.

This comment makes me disagree with you:

Still they allowed women to be vicars, their own stupid fault.

James

[Tau]

Ok james but if the Church of England decides to allow women vicars then it should expect a further evolution from the mother church, whose doctrine stands against female priests to this day, my point is she is changing something and if others follow suit, then little by little the whole faith system changes.

It might not be a nice label but it is corruption or deviation from a supposedly older and thus more empirical form.

Surely it would be better to start again?

[spiritually inclined]

Ok james but if the Church of England decides to allow women vicars then it should expect a further evolution from the mother church, whose doctrine stands against female priests to this day, my point is she is changing something and if others follow suit, then little by little the whole faith system changes.

Yes, it does change, which in many ways is good. I would hope, for instance, that most Christians in America wouldn't support burning people at the stake anymore. All religion changes. Christianity itself was born from Judaism, and early Jewish Christians were deeply connected with their Jewish background to such an extent that many liturgies still have hints of Judaism today.

It might not be a nice label but it is corruption or deviation from a supposedly older and thus more empirical form.

Why does older imply that it is more empirical? How is religion empirical at all?

Surely it would be better to start again?

Religion has established deep roots, traditions, and cultures. People aren't going to just start over. It will evolve bit by bit.

James