Can you be both Liberal and Traditional. (Jesus Christ, gospel, salvation)

[Terrywoodenpic]

I Hold what many in the Anglican/Church Of England would coonsider very Liberal views. At the same time I hold Many other preferences which are towards the Anglo Catholic side of the Church of England. Especially in having the Holy Communion as the centre of worship.

Do other Liberal leaning Christians hold what might be thought of by others as split beliefs?


Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

[GPV]

Interestingly enough, I found a group of people that seem to straddle the world between liberal and orthodox.

Here are the 8 points of liberal/progressive Christianity, then below thise the 8 principles of postmodern Christianity:
http://www.tcpc.org/about/the_8_points_english.html
1. Have found an approach to God through the life and teachings of Jesus;

2. Recognize the faithfulness of other people who have other names for the way to God's realm, and acknowledge that their ways are true for them, as our ways are true for us;

3. Understand the sharing of bread and wine in Jesus's name to be a representation of an ancient vision of God's feast for all peoples;

4. Invite all people to participate in our community and worship life without insisting that they become like us in order to be acceptable (including but not limited to):

believers and agnostics,
conventional Christians and questioning skeptics,
women and men,
those of all sexual orientations and gender identities,
those of all races and cultures,
those of all classes and abilities,
those who hope for a better world and those who have lost hope;

5. Know that the way we behave toward one another and toward other people is the fullest expression of what we believe;

6. Find more grace in the search for understanding than we do in dogmatic certainty - more value in questioning than in absolutes;

7. Form ourselves into communities dedicated to equipping one another for the work we feel called to do: striving for peace and justice among all people, protecting and restoring the integrity of all God's creation, and bringing hope to those Jesus called the least of his sisters and brothers; and

8. Recognize that being followers of Jesus is costly, and entails selfless love, conscientious resistance to evil, and renunciation of privilege.

Postmodernist Emergent Church principles:
http://www.modernreformation.org/dac05emerging.htm

1. Accept co-existence with different faiths gladly, not begrudgingly. It is not their fault if they are alive.
2. Dialogue presupposes commitment to one’s position, so it is surely not a bad thing to listen well. Dialogue should be congruent with confidence in the gospel.
3. We assume that the dialogue takes place in the presence of God, the unseen Presence. In such dialogue we may learn things, as Peter does in Acts 10–11. Similarly, Jesus learns from his interchange with the Syrophoenician woman.
4. Missional dialogue requires humility and vulnerability. But that should not frighten us, for when we are weak, we are strong. It is surely right, for instance, to acknowledge earlier atrocities committed by Christians, even as we remain careful not to disparage those earlier Christians.
5. Each religion operates in its own world and therefore demands different responses from Christians.
6. Christian witness does not preclude dialogue.
7. The “old, old story” may not be the true, true story, for we continue to grow, and even our discussion and dialogues contribute to such growth. In other words, the questions raised by postmodernism help us to grow.
8. Live with the paradox: we know no way of salvation apart from Jesus Christ, but we do not prejudge what God may do with others. We must simply live with the tension.

[Terrywoodenpic]

GPV... thanks for that

I have noticed this before. From what I can make out it is a supporting group for people af any Christian background. who hold Ideas with an open mind, that may not be accepted by their own
church. Would you say that I have that right.

Terry
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Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

[michel]

I must admit - that has been one of the main reasons that made me feel unable to commit myself totally to Christianity; I am the type of person who instinctly feels that to belong to a 'club' means accepting every single one of it's rules in full.

To me, I see a light at the end of the tunnel. The idea of accepting the Faith without having to subscribe to the 'whole package' has been of great relief.

[CaptainXeroid]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

...Do other Liberal leaning Christians hold what might be thought of by others as split beliefs?...

Yes. Compared to many other Christians, my views are quite liberal. I believe in women as well as GLBT people serving as well as leading worship. I think the communion table should be open to all who wish to partake because I think that is how Jesus would want it to be. Compared to many in our church, my views are more conservative. I prefer charity to government hand-out programs, and I support eliminating the income tax and privitization of Social Security.

As much as I detest 'labels', I guess I'm a social moderate and a fiscal conservative.

Many of the 8 points GPV linked are similar to beliefs held by The Disciples of Christ church in which I was raised and serve to this day. Thank you for the tcpc link GPV.

[GPV]

Originally Posted by CaptainXeroid

Thank you for the tcpc link GPV.

Any time.

[Izdaari]

In some ways I'm a liberal Christian; in other ways I'm conservative or even fundamentalist. I'm Pentecostal but post-modern (I guess the buzzword for that combo is charismissional... which I like: it's very descriptive). Maybe Alanis Morissette could write lyrics based on that.

[The Great Architect]

Originally Posted by GPV

Interestingly enough, I found a group of people that seem to straddle the world between liberal and orthodox.

Here are the 8 points of liberal/progressive Christianity, then below thise the 8 principles of postmodern Christianity:
The Center for Progressive Christianity - Error
1. Have found an approach to God through the life and teachings of Jesus;

2. Recognize the faithfulness of other people who have other names for the way to God's realm, and acknowledge that their ways are true for them, as our ways are true for us;

3. Understand the sharing of bread and wine in Jesus's name to be a representation of an ancient vision of God's feast for all peoples;

4. Invite all people to participate in our community and worship life without insisting that they become like us in order to be acceptable (including but not limited to):

believers and agnostics,
conventional Christians and questioning skeptics,
women and men,
those of all sexual orientations and gender identities,
those of all races and cultures,
those of all classes and abilities,
those who hope for a better world and those who have lost hope;

5. Know that the way we behave toward one another and toward other people is the fullest expression of what we believe;

6. Find more grace in the search for understanding than we do in dogmatic certainty - more value in questioning than in absolutes;

7. Form ourselves into communities dedicated to equipping one another for the work we feel called to do: striving for peace and justice among all people, protecting and restoring the integrity of all God's creation, and bringing hope to those Jesus called the least of his sisters and brothers; and

8. Recognize that being followers of Jesus is costly, and entails selfless love, conscientious resistance to evil, and renunciation of privilege.

Postmodernist Emergent Church principles:
Modern Reformation - 404 Error

1. Accept co-existence with different faiths gladly, not begrudgingly. It is not their fault if they are alive.
2. Dialogue presupposes commitment to one’s position, so it is surely not a bad thing to listen well. Dialogue should be congruent with confidence in the gospel.
3. We assume that the dialogue takes place in the presence of God, the unseen Presence. In such dialogue we may learn things, as Peter does in Acts 10–11. Similarly, Jesus learns from his interchange with the Syrophoenician woman.
4. Missional dialogue requires humility and vulnerability. But that should not frighten us, for when we are weak, we are strong. It is surely right, for instance, to acknowledge earlier atrocities committed by Christians, even as we remain careful not to disparage those earlier Christians.
5. Each religion operates in its own world and therefore demands different responses from Christians.
6. Christian witness does not preclude dialogue.
7. The “old, old story” may not be the true, true story, for we continue to grow, and even our discussion and dialogues contribute to such growth. In other words, the questions raised by postmodernism help us to grow.
8. Live with the paradox: we know no way of salvation apart from Jesus Christ, but we do not prejudge what God may do with others. We must simply live with the tension.

I am just about the most unorthodox person whom you will ever meet. As I have said before, I am relatively new to Christianity, and have not yet found a church etc. However, most of the above principles would be how I'd define Christianity; and provide the reasons that I joined, in the first place.

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Izdaari

In some ways I'm a liberal Christian; in other ways I'm conservative or even fundamentalist. I'm Pentecostal but post-modern (I guess the buzzword for that combo is charismissional... which I like: it's very descriptive). Maybe Alanis Morissette could write lyrics based on that.

Alanis Morisette is God, and She wears boxer shorts:

YouTube - Alanis Morissette

[spiritually inclined]

I Hold what many in the Anglican/Church Of England would coonsider very Liberal views. At the same time I hold Many other preferences which are towards the Anglo Catholic side of the Church of England. Especially in having the Holy Communion as the centre of worship.

Do other Liberal leaning Christians hold what might be thought of by others as split beliefs?

I will be baptized and confirmed Sunday, March 30th, 2008, in the Episcopal Church. Indeed, I do have High Church and Anglo-Catholic tendencies. I pray the Rosary (using the three sets of traditional mysteries, i.e., Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious) every single day, and I usually use holy water in my prayers. (I have lots of holy