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Old 07-05-2012, 09:12 AM
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Default Unorthodox interpretations for Biblical narratives

The Bible has been used to support various agendas in political and social issues throughout history. Anything from pro slavery to the abolishment of slavery.

In Judaism various social movements or thinkers have taken the Biblical (or Talmudic/Midrashic) narratives in order to support causes within Jewish society.

I can think of several examples:

Presenting Lilith as a champion of women rights in Jewish feminist movements.

Presenting the northern kingdom of Israel as a prototype for a modern cosmopolitan and secular society, as opposed to the stricter southern kingdom of Judah who treated the kingdom of Israel as a society which tolerated regional polytheism and even blended it with its society.

Presenting the story of eating the forbidden fruit as a divine plan to initiate mankind into sexual maturity.

How do you feel about breathing new points of view into the orthodox narrative in order to set in motion social changes or agendas in Jewish society?
can you think of more relevant examples?

Do you believe that this testifies to the non static nature and strength of Biblical narratives and Jewish literature which can prevent them from becoming obsolete, or do you believe that it's marching into sacred grounds and violating an historical status quo?
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:04 PM
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:25 PM
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Then this thread is obviously not for you. Thanks for singing in regardless.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:33 PM
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The Bible has been used to support various agendas in political and social issues throughout history. Anything from pro slavery to the abolishment of slavery.

In Judaism various social movements or thinkers have taken the Biblical (or Talmudic/Midrashic) narratives in order to support causes within Jewish society.

I can think of several examples:

Presenting Lilith as a champion of women rights in Jewish feminist movements.

Presenting the northern kingdom of Israel as a prototype for a modern cosmopolitan and secular society, as opposed to the stricter southern kingdom of Judah who treated the kingdom of Israel as a society which tolerated regional polytheism and even blended it with its society.

Presenting the story of eating the forbidden fruit as a divine plan to initiate mankind into sexual maturity.

How do you feel about breathing new points of view into the orthodox narrative in order to set in motion social changes or agendas in Jewish society?
can you think of more relevant examples?

Do you believe that this testifies to the non static nature and strength of Biblical narratives and Jewish literature which can prevent them from becoming obsolete, or do you believe that it's marching into sacred grounds and violating an historical status quo?
I do think that traditional textual narratives present useful foundations for us upon which our out of which to build relevant ethical and social lessons.

But I think even radical midrash or radical halachah needs to be done in a way that makes a sensible fit with the tradition. Trying to cast Lilith as a feminist archetype never seemed particularly tasteful or suitable to me. Nor trying to spin the Northern Kingdom's inability to embrace monotheism as "cosmopolitanism."

On the other hand, I think exotericizing some Kabbalistic narratives and mainstreaming them has been useful. And re-reading incidents like the Eden story or the Akedah in ways not widely done in older times to suit more modern philosophical and theological views has sometimes produced promising material.
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