Sharia Law in the UK

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Peace

I second that!
Great post dear sister. I should remember to frubal you once I spread some frubals around

Don't worry about that, i just did.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Laila

I would not wish to be governed by sharia laws; and I'm sure I speak for many Britons. From my obervations most countries who rule by sharia reduce a womens' value to less than half of a man. People have little autonomy, especially women and children, and hence fail to thrive and evolve ie. it infantilises the population.

Family disputes, says Dr Williams, would be easier within sharia. For whom?
For polygamous muslim men living in Britain? Certainly not for the women who will be forced to accept unjust verdicts as God's authority by religious persecutors.
Maybe women will also, under pressure, be forbidden to drive!

I sympathize with him, really.

Sharia - a set of principles governing the way that many Muslims believe one should live one's life - suffered from "widespread misunderstanding" by the rest of the world, he added.

Lord Phillips said: "There is no reason why sharia principles, or any other religious code, should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution.

He forgot to add that, it's even being misunderstood by some Muslims too.

[kai]

tis is an interesting topic, there is already a precdent with the jewish Beth din here, and jewish and Quaker marriages ar recognised in law but this is an islamic thread so i hesitate to post.

[Nehustan]

This has been brought to light recently because of the Chief Justice? He's said something similar to the ArchBishop??? I was actually invited to the original speech that was hosted by The Temple and held at the Royal Courts of Justice some months ago. Having heard the speech with my own ears, it seems that most people haven't even read the transcript, and if they had seemed to have completely misunderstood it. Perhaps the modern era, where people have the practical skills of reading, is a new dark ages, where they can now read the words i.e. the letters, but the shadows of their own intellect seem to make understanding the words difficult.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Laila

However,for British Muslims to have SEPARATE governing laws is a recipe to encourage segregation and apartheid.

Good point. Separate laws would drive a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims that could easily result in institutionalizing Muslims as second-class citizens.

[Laila]

Originally Posted by not4me

I don't live in Britain and I think this matter completely belongs to the British people, I have no say in it but speaking about the Islamic Shri'ah the way you did strikes me. The purpose of God's Shari'ah is to implement justice and the best interest for the society. Describing the rules and orders in the Qur'an and the authentic Sunnah as man made is something I don't understand. To say that Islamic Shari'ah leads to oppression of women is something I don't really understand. Personally, I want to live until I see the Islamic Shari'ah being implemented in all the Muslim countries as it's our only way to justice, freedom and prosperity. Extracting laws from East and West that don't suit our roots, identity and culture as we see in the majority of Muslim countries is one of the causes of backwardness that Muslims live in now.
Ah, when was prohibition of driving cars by women a part of Islamic Shari'ah?

Or to escape living under the secular dictatorship which is the case in MOST of the "Muslim" countries where Islamicists are being jailed, banned, tortured and killed.

God's way is NOT the sharia. The sharia is a set of rules that men have devised. If you want to find God's way you'll find it in the Quran.
I would question your understanding that implementing the sharia leads to justice and the best interest for society. Which society? Best interest for whom? Look at Islamic world around you where sharia rules!

Ask women activists in Pakistan
Where is the justice in laws where women suspected of adultery, or rape victims, are punished in hideous ways and the man goes free. This is the sharia. Is this not oppression of women?

Ask Iranian women
The morality police hound women and girls, beat them up, imprison them for showing an ankle, walking too provocatively or singing in the streets. This is the sharia. Is this not oppression of women?

Can you drive a car in Saudia Arabia as a female if you wanted to? No, because of the so called god-given sharia which says you can't. Is this not oppression of women.

[Laila]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

This has been brought to light recently because of the Chief Justice? He's said something similar to the ArchBishop??? I was actually invited to the original speech that was hosted by The Temple and held at the Royal Courts of Justice some months ago. Having heard the speech with my own ears, it seems that most people haven't even read the transcript, and if they had seemed to have completely misunderstood it. Perhaps the modern era, where people have the practical skills of reading, is a new dark ages, where they can now read the words i.e. the letters, but the shadows of their own intellect seem to make understanding the words difficult.

In what way has it been misunderstood? Has the media completely misunderstoood the Archbishop?

I have often admired the Archbishop's intellectualism and his passion for human rights. But this time his kind indulgences betray his own invaluable principles and deliver muslim women and girls into the hands of religious persecutors - an intervention laced with arsenic!

[Laila]

Originally Posted by not4me

I thought polygamy was mentioned in the Qur'an not man made law, correct me if I am wrong!!

Polygamy is mentioned in the Quran:
[4.3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one

and so is the fact that it would be better to marry one so that you can do justice
[4.129] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it)

Clearly from verse 4.3 you see that the whole point of polygamy is for protection of orphans.
I have to question why there is no such 'sharia law' that protects women in such relationships? Checking whether the male is being equitable towards the women. Oh of course but that would not be for the best interest of the men and therefore there are no guidelines in sharia. Men just marry whoever they wish, and sometimes deliberately choose young virgins, as long they don't have more than four!