Where do muslims find the Bible distorted?

[Theocan]

I know, you guys deem the Bible to be distorted to an extent.

So what passages do muslims believe in and do not believe in?

[yousaf]

well we believe that jesus(pbuh) was prophet of god we don't believe that he claimed to be god but he said as mentioned in the quraan worship allah my lord and your lord. anything that is in conciliiation with the quraan we wll accept to be true but anything that goes against the quraan or sunnah then we will call it corrupted

note: we believe that jesus(pbuh) was given the injeel, the injeel does not mean the bible because as you know the bible was not written at the time of jesus as paul is the author of most books of the bible, yes some parts of the bible can be the word of god.

i hope i have answered your question

[Nehustan]

It’s quite common to hear that the bible has been doctored. I think that this may be overstated. For instance, most of the time we read the Bible in English, in translation, and for that reason alone theological concepts may not be received as they were intended, i.e. the translation of many linguistic signs as 'God'. That's not so much a reason to dismiss the Bible, more a reason to increase your knowledge of the Judaeo-Christian tradition and its subtleties.

Then we have the fact that Jesus was a scholar. We know this from the story of when he was 'lost' by his parents, and was found giving exegesis of scripture while still a youth. If we add to this the factor that his disciples were, comparatively, simple in regard to scripture (i.e. fishermen?), then there is more than enough room for what Jesus said, and what Jesus is reported to have said, to have some distance between them.

Muslims would be well advised in regard to revelation to bear in mind what the Quran says on the issue of revelation, that truth is added to truth through a slow development. It comes to us this way, contemporarily and historically, because that is how we receive it best. The later revelations can inform the previous, but it is likely that the errors are in our own understanding as opposed to the scripture. The first place we should look for error is in our own intellects.

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem

"Those who reject Faith say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is it revealed), that We may strengthen thy heart thereby, and We have rehearsed it to thee in slow, well-arranged stages, gradually." 25:32

"When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not." 16:101

As I was saying to my wife the other day, Muhammad's revelation was not the beginning of Islam, it was the completion (5:3).

[Laila]

Good post Nehustan

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

Then we have the fact that Jesus was a scholar. We know this from the story of when ...

When one claims to know fact based on story one is essentially fooling oneself.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

When one claims to know fact based on story one is essentially fooling oneself.

Slip of the tongue I actually don't like the word.

But I'll bite anway, been a while since this viper raised its head, or at least since I've been around to witness the forkéd. I take it that you conduct experiments every time you need something proved rather than relying on second hand information, which is, without reproduction...effectively a story? It may be a story told by someone you trust, i.e. a scientist, but without reproduction...well you get the point. Oh what a busy boy you must be.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

It may be a story told by someone you trust, i.e. a scientist, but without reproduction...well you get the point.

And why do you trust this particular story as opposed to, for example, the Infancy narratives?

[Nehustan]

One of the definitions of a story is that one takes it to be true, in fact the word story can represent a historical document, and actually as opposed to fiction, rather than being such.

This is actually a place for us to discuss Islam, and in this thread particularly to answer supposéd contradictions between Islam, Christianity and Judaism. I do believe that Jesus taught in the Temple, I believed it when I was a Christian, I still believe it as a Muslim.

Whichever word I chose to use, even an inappropriate one (I actually prefer reproducible phenomena when most people say fact, as I said I don't like the word and its usual connotation i.e. immutable), it doesn't detract from the point I was trying to make. Perhaps, tho' leopards don't change their spots, next time you venture into the Islam forum it will be for better ends, i.e. to contribute, rather than cheap point scoring?

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Nehustan

If we add to this the factor that his disciples were, comparatively, simple in regard to scripture (i.e. fishermen?), then there is more than enough room for what Jesus said, and what Jesus is reported to have said, to have some distance between them.

I get that Islam see's Christianity as an offshot of Judaism gone wrong. I get that things develop with time and when people can be more receptive toward it. What I don't get is how Islam didn't just complete Judeo-Christian, but completely change it. There are so many early beliefs and practices that were being taught and practiced that are unseen in Islam.

So...to me...it doesn't look like a development or a completion, but an outright re-invention.

Maybe you can guide me toward all the similarities...cause I sure can't see them.