Image of Muhammad (pbuh) (Jesus, the passion, crucified, prophet, pagans)

[Booko]

Originally Posted by neves

No artistic depiction, statues or any other thing that resembles the Prophet Muhammad… people have the habit of taking objects into worship…

Yes, I thought this might be one reason. And it certainly can be seen through history that when people have an opportunity to worship something, sometimes they take it. Better just not to bother with the opportunity at all.

[jamaesi]

Originally Posted by Booko

Yes, I thought this might be one reason. And it certainly can be seen through history that when people have an opportunity to worship something, sometimes they take it. Better just not to bother with the opportunity at all.

I don't think I could ever agree with that viewpoint. How could you be really and truly following your religion when you have no choice but to?

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Originally Posted by Khalila

I don't think I could ever agree with that viewpoint. How could you be really and truly following your religion when you have no choice but to?

I don't get it. How is your reply related to her statement? What is it that you don't agree with?


History teaches that once people create a photo,statue, or any image at all of a respected or loved individual, it almost always turns into shirk after some time. If we were to have a statue of the prophet, I am certain 100% that a group of muslims would come out of Islam through the worship of that statue. Some have already done it at the prophet's gravesite. I know of people who have gone there making dua to the prophet for this and that, when all one is to do is visit the grave like any other grave. Make dua FOR the prophet (not to him) give the salaams and durood and leave. No sajdas, and ruku's, and all these other things.

People have the freedom to worship what they want, except if you're muslim. There is no compulsion in deen, meaning we cannot compel people to join Islam. Once you're in though, there's plenty of compulsion. We are compelled to do salaat, fast Ramadan, and biggest of all we are expressly ordered to worship nothing besides Allah. All shirk is forbidden and all roads leading to shirk become forbidden also.

[jamaesi]

Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

I don't get it. How is your reply related to her statement? What is it that you don't agree with?


History teaches that once people create a photo,statue, or any image at all of a respected or loved individual, it almost always turns into shirk after some time. If we were to have a statue of the prophet, I am certain 100% that a group of muslims would come out of Islam through the worship of that statue. Some have already done it at the prophet's gravesite. I know of people who have gone there making dua to the prophet for this and that, when all one is to do is visit the grave like any other grave. Make dua FOR the prophet (not to him) give the salaams and durood and leave. No sajdas, and ruku's, and all these other things.

People have the freedom to worship what they want, except if you're muslim. There is no compulsion in deen, meaning we cannot compel people to join Islam. Once you're in though, there's plenty of compulsion. We are compelled to do salaat, fast Ramadan, and biggest of all we are expressly ordered to worship nothing besides Allah. All shirk is forbidden and all roads leading to shirk become forbidden also.

My point was how sincere is your faith when there's nothing to ever test it?

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Oh. I think there is plenty in this world to test our faith. I believe all the different ideas that are presented around an individual do a sufficient job of that. For instance a muslim living in a non-muslim place, while still trying to practice Islam meet that challenge everyday.

I don't think that going against the orders of Allah challenges our faith at all. I think it challenges Allah and His wisdom by saying that perhaps there is a chance that Allah created a ruling that needs a challenge. In the contest of this thread, it is Allah's great mercy that He declared it totally haram to have these images, because it saves us who are weak in iman from going towards shirk, that Allah says He does not forgive. There are better more effective ways to challenge one's own faith then having something done that would endanger the iman and possibly the akhira of alot of people.

[KPereira]

Personally, I'm Roman Catholic and in this respect, Roman Catholicism is the polar opposite of Islam. Roman Catholicism is all about images and symbols. Growing up in this faith, I can see where it's coming from - the reason behind all of it. However, I can also see the Muslim viewpoint.

I grew up with crucifixes, statues, pictures, stained-glass windows of religious scenes...everything. I agree with Muslims when they say that people eventually start worshipping the image itself, and not what it represents. At my Church, on the feast day of Our Lady of Fatima, a gigantic statue of Mary is carried through the streets. People singing, crying, praying. Some people take it out of hand and so I can definitely see the Islamic point of view. However, I must say that images aren't 100% bad. They inspire religious fervour in some. I know when I go to my Church, right above the altar, there is a huge statue of Jesus on the cross. Not nailed down, but with his arms up towards Heaven. That inspires me, as I'm sure it does to others as well.

That Danish cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was done in bad taste. Even if the guy who drew it wasn't Muslim, he should have still respected Islam. Personally, I wouldn't like anyone disrespecting Christianity...why would I do the same to another religion?

But anyways, that's just my two cents. Praise Allah, Praise the Lord.