Muslim Inventions : How they changed the world (Earth, translation, blood)

[michel]

Originally Posted by frg001

It's all very interesting. But from where I stand, these things came about despite the fact that they were muslim.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make there; I hope it isn't as it sounds............

Strangely enough, I can remember hearing (on a television programme last Sunday) how soap was literally 'invented' by the Muslims, and, fortunately enough, I have found the site that was referred to:-
http://www.1001inventions.com/index....tSectionID=309,
As was cofee. (the only two I remember)

[finalfrogo]

Originally Posted by Judgement Day

It is very sad to see that when few Muslims commit violent actions, Muslims are condemned and attacked all over the world, but when few Muslims contributes greatly to science, no Muslims weren't even noticed.

I agree. People seldom hear of scientific achievements by muslims these days. Perhaps if people knew more of these achievements, they were rely less on stereotypes and prejudice.

I think people have a tendency to look at the bad instead of the good. How unfortunate.

[Ormiston]

Wasn't the first civilization in the Middle East? Mesapotamia isn't it? And I believe chess was invented there as well. One of the best American chess players and chess-authors is GM Yasser Seirawan who was born in Syria. I don't know if he is muslim or not though. It is a sad state of affairs when one of the most historically important cultures gets such a bad rap. Keep up the important work!

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by frg001

How do you leap to that conclusion?



I don't take anything anything on faith. I have beliefs which I am quite happy to change if given reasonable evidence.
But I am still unsure why you leap to these conclusions about me based on what I've said?

Let me quote Eric Hoffer again:
"We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. "

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by frg001

It's all very interesting. But from where I stand, these things came about despite the fact that they were muslim.

Actually, it's the other way round, frg.

The first word revealed from The Qur'an was READ

Seeking knowledge is one of the highest priorities in Islam.

When Muslim scientists and mathematicians applied that principle, they made wonders in all branches of sciences.

Even sociology was founded by a Muslim from Tunisia, Ibn Khaldun.

Ever heard of him?

http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics...&ArticleID=244

[Cordoba]

You may also wish to read this article, frg:

Science Conflicting with Religion?

Not for Muslims!

http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=247

[Cordoba]

Sources of European Sciences

The European Renaissance was not a coincidence, and the rise of science in Europe can be attributed to a number of factors, including two main sources: Sicily and Andalusia.

This first article, which may be of interest, is on the role of Sicily as a bridge of knowledge into Europe:

The Role of Sicily in the Transfer of Islamic Sciences to the West

Frederick II (1194-1250) had from his infancy grown up using Arabic as the language of his court.

He was a patron of the Islamic culture at the time, and he encouraged Plato of Tivoli and Fibonaci, the founders of European mathematics, to gather Muslim and Jewish scholars to undertake the translation of every available Arabic book.

He himself sent Michel Scot to Cordoba to obtain works by Ibn Sina to distribute to existing schools.

http://muslimheritage.com/topics/def...?ArticleID=342

All the best.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Let me quote Eric Hoffer again:
"We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. "

You are certainly one for 1+1=3 style debating.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by michel

I am not sure what point you are trying to make there; I hope it isn't as it sounds............

It isn't supposed to sound anything. It is what it says. All I am trying to say, is that WITHOUT any religions, man would have progressed similarly, if not (as I believe) more quickly.

Two (I think very apt) quotes from Richard Dawkins...

“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.”