Science and the Quran (ritual, reject, Earth, hell, prophet)

[Cordoba]

Hello Lilithu:

Originally Posted by lilithu

As a Muslim, is not the Qur'an the first and foremost authority on "truth"? Do you really need to show that it "agrees" with science in order to justify it?

For Muslims, our main fixed reference is the Qur'an, and as such we don't need to justify it through science.

For non-Muslims however, this is not the case. Presenting the scientific hints in the Qur'an is a sign for reflection.

By the way, the other day I found an article titled "Islam and Unitarians: The Quest for Truth and Justice" which may be of interest:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/cleland05.htm

All the best.

[Stormygale]

The way I see it is, ANY person with a reputation and MIND for scientific understanding, and an inkling of how to intice people into believing in certain things, is capable of creating a Book like the Bible or the Quran. Seriously. If you get enough followers behind a new religion, one so inspired by a Great name as Maham. had, it will fly. Add in this religion flourishing and being passed down a few generations, and it is a sure thing. There are ALOT of great minds in this world, and many of them have just had the luck and the 'no how' to create.
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Maham. had several wives. Concubines I guess is the better word for it. His writings tell us that Abraham and many of the others lived in the same years. In the King James, this did not conspire. His writings tell us that if you kill 'one unbeliever', that is to say, someone who is an infidel, then you have immediate access to the after life, where, several virgins await your arrival. To me, that just blows the whole religion out of the water. BUT, that is only me, I was not raised in such a religion, so if was not entered into my mind day after day till it made sense. I was however, in a form of an occult, I guess you could say when I was younger. That makes me able to say prime things that deal with 'ways and beliefs' that the common, say, southern Baptist would not understand.
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I do not make light of the religion here that is tabled. I am delving into an area I do not have right to say. Yet, I would rather have one experienced woman waiting for me in the afterlife, lol, than several unexperienced virgins who play games.....lol...
Anyway, bless you all....

[Cordoba]

Stormygale:

It's clear from your post that you need "A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understand Islam":

http://www.islam-guide.com/

P.S. It includes a section titled "The Qur'an on Clouds", which may be of interest to storms and gales!

[Celestial Intellect]

For the non-moslems the mathemathical miracles of Qur'an are more graspable:

The statement of "seven heavens" is repeated seven times. "The creation of the heavens (khalq as-samawat)" is also repeated seven times.

"Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.

The number of repetitions of the words "plant" and "tree" is the same: 26

The word "payment or reward" is repeated 117 times, while the expression "forgiveness" (mughfirah), which is one of the basic morals of the Qur'an, is repeated exactly twice that amount, 234 times.

When we count the word "Say," we find it appears 332 times. We arrive at the same figure when we count the phrase "they said."

The number of times the words, "world" (dunya) and "hereafter" (akhira) are repeated is also the same: 115

The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Qur'an 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).

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For the complete list check out this link:

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_01.html

[Cordoba]

Did you notice that "The words "man" and "woman" are also employed equally: 23 times."?

[Cordoba]

And that the number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo.

The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.

Is that a coincidence?

[Cordoba]

From the same site, this page has a list of articles on the Scientific hints in the Qur'an:

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

All the best.

[john313]

Originally Posted by Stormygale

The way I see it is, ANY person with a reputation and MIND for scientific understanding, and an inkling of how to intice people into believing in certain things, is capable of creating a Book like the Bible or the Quran. Seriously. If you get enough followers behind a new religion, one so inspired by a Great name as Maham. had, it will fly. Add in this religion flourishing and being passed down a few generations, and it is a sure thing. There are ALOT of great minds in this world, and many of them have just had the luck and the 'no how' to create.
-
Maham. had several wives. Concubines I guess is the better word for it. His writings tell us that Abraham and many of the others lived in the same years. In the King James, this did not conspire. His writings tell us that if you kill 'one unbeliever', that is to say, someone who is an infidel, then you have immediate access to the after life, where, several virgins await your arrival. To me, that just blows the whole religion out of the water. BUT, that is only me, I was not raised in such a religion, so if was not entered into my mind day after day till it made sense. I was however, in a form of an occult, I guess you could say when I was younger. That makes me able to say prime things that deal with 'ways and beliefs' that the common, say, southern Baptist would not understand.
-
I do not make light of the religion here that is tabled. I am delving into an area I do not have right to say. Yet, I would rather have one experienced woman waiting for me in the afterlife, lol, than several unexperienced virgins who play games.....lol...
Anyway, bless you all....

Salaam,

it appears most everything you believe about Islam is a lie. you might be getting your information from an "Islamophobic" website that has a purpose of spreading lies and hate. Something about Islam...it was not a new religion when the Prophet(saas) taught it, he taught the same things as all the prophets(Abraham, Moses, Jesus....), it was however a different message than Paul of Tarsus(the "Liar" of the dead sea scrolls and the father of christianity) taught.

[Zxzyx]

Originally Posted by john313

Salaam,

it appears most everything you believe about Islam is a lie. he taught the same things as all the prophets(Abraham, Moses, Jesus....), it was however a different message than Paul of Tarsus(the "Liar" of the dead sea scrolls and the father of christianity) taught.

John313
How was Muhammad’s message the same as those of previous prophets and Jesus?

Where are you getting the idea that Paul had a different message to Jesus and that he created Christianity?

Just because someone has a different opinion to you, does that make it a lie?

[Cordoba]

Reminder:

This is not the right area for debates!