Who wrote the Quran? (Moses, followers, translation, hell, Revelation)

[3n1]

Did it have many authors, as the Bible does, or was it written by one man? Was he under the inspiration of God, or is this a book of wisdom? Please don't turn this into a debate........I'm just wanting to learn more about your religion.

[Rex]

Originally Posted by 3n1

Please don't turn this into a debate........I'm just wanting to learn more about your religion.

Don't worry about that. We have special "debate forums" for that.

You are in an educational forum right now.

[hadeka]

hello

The Quraan is a book sent from GOD to Mohamed (pbuh) in several events through Gebreial (the sacred spirit) .... and there was people who were hearing it from Mohamed (pbuh) and then write it .....and in the end .....Gabrial checked all of it with Mohamed (pbuh) and then the freinds of Mohamed collected all the "Suras" in a book as the order of Mohamed (pbuh) which was from GOD

i hope u can understand what i mean

and i will be always there if you realy want 2 learn about Islam

[3n1]

I would really like to know about Islam, Hadeka. I came to this site to gather as much info as i can on world religions. I'd be great if you could point me in the right direction. Thanx.

[chookyman]

Like all holy books, they are written by man, from the thoughts of man of what they believe in their heart to be a the right religion, based on their frustrations, in-differences, feelings of in-completness etc in other simular religions.

They justify this fact and attract followers by saying they recieved it as a messanger by man. What facinates me with Islam, is it is more like the Jewish religion, yet they cannot tolirate Jews.

The Holy Koran of islam is no more then a grossly inaccurate translation of the old testiment and the jewish holybook (plus some things taken from the christians). If you rean the introductory section of the Koran where they talk about the birth of islam and their messanger, it outlines how muhhummard as a trader would oftern talk to christian monks and other religious figures in his travels. This fact alone only leads to muhhummad's own slow collection of information and summary of this information in his own words which finnaly lead to the birth of the Koran.

The difference between muhummard and the other messangers of god, was that muhhummard claimed to be visited by god's right hand angel, where the others where given the revelations directly from god. This fact alone makes the religion dicey and suspicious. Islam is more a Jewish sect created from the teachings of moses that are outlined throughout the jewish holybook.

The siad fact is, muhhummard never wanted his followers to look into the other two religions and oftern critised both of them, leaving a fowl taste and negitive views amongst muslims about these religions. But the fact that muhhummard states that it is against the rule for a muslim to convert to another religion or even consider looking into another religion justifys my point that muhhummard never wanted his follows to realise that he is guilty of gross plagarism and false statements. If this was the case, Islam today would not even be what it is now.

[chookyman]

"They justify this fact and attract followers by saying they recieved it as a messanger by man." sorry, I meant message by god.

[DontFearMe]

The word "Quran" literally means "recitation." Muhammad was an illiterate man, so for those who claim he just copied stories from the bible and twisted them is pure conjecture and they can never prove it. There were witnesses to the revelation of numerous verses of the Quran. The wife of Muhammad said that sometimes when revelations would come to the prophet he would break out in a heavy sweat, other times it could be different. For the most part for early muslims, the quran was memorized, nothing unusal for an illiterate society who had a keen sense of memory and oral traditions as a result. Try listening to the quran, here is a linke. Chapter is named after Jesus' mother Mary. http://207.134.72.98/quran/sghamdi/s19.ram

[anders]

chookyman,

You wrote "What facinates me with Islam, is it is more like the Jewish religion, yet they cannot tolirate Jews.

The Holy Koran of islam is no more then a grossly inaccurate translation of the old testiment and the jewish holybook (plus some things taken from the christians)."

Islam is nothing like the Jewish religion. It is, for example, very clear that the Old Testament aka the TaNaK admits that there are other gods; Islam is perfectly monotheistic.

There have been many periods in history when Jews were not only tolerated but respected. Those periods were when Islam ruled, in stark contrast with the Christian treatment of Jews throughout history.

The Muslim view is that the Jewish and Christian scriptures are adulterations of the heavenly Qur'an, not the other way round. I haven't seen the originals, so I won't judge either religion on this one. You must admit, for example, that there are no instances of genocides in the Qur'an, as the OT frequently relates happened during the Israelitic invasion of Palestine. (Fortunately, there is no evidence that the Bible relates the truth in those cases.)

[chookyman]

You know I like the points you raised in your last parragraphs. However I must disagree with you on mostly everything.

1) You say there are no instances of genocides in the Qur'an, well explain the many academic documents which talk about, which has become known today, "The Sword of Islam". This in itself reflects a simularity to the great crusades of the christians, in islamic style. Of course muslims will say it was Muhhammad defending himself, but yet a muslim will not admit to the fact that Muhhammad's warriors went onto convert or kill. So if this is not a genocide at the sword of Islam, what is it then? It certently represents a genocide towards the end.

2) Getting back to another parragraph, It never stops to amaze me how muslims keep on saying that Islam has always been around and is not a new religion, that it is the last verses of the old testimate. Look, muslims claim to this fact because they say they follow the religion of Abraham. Abraham never ever refered to his faith as Islam, nor did he ever record it any form of communication.

The old testimate is that, no tother, no more addition. This is purely the Muslims doing what the Jews and Christians did, trying to justify and secure their religion inline with the monotheistic religion started by Abraham. Islam is a new religion in the sence of the monotheistic faith. It was born the day your messanger first resited his first verse to be recorded by pen.

3) It is a known fact that Muhhammud was an illiterate man. Worthy of great praise for his effort in civilising the uncivilised nomads and tribes of his time, but for his effort in teaching people the importantance of brotherhood, empowerment of the less empowerment etc. It is known that Muhammad in his early days was a merchant type, traveling here to there, meeting many religious figures, listening and talking to people he meet around the camp fire on throughout his travels. During this time he would have gethered much information about both monotheistic religions and their ways.

For starters, Muslims cannot eat pork. This rule infact came from the Jews and their religion. When you read through the Qur'an, you can tell it is based more on the traditions and values which where long istalled by the Arabic peoples long before Islam and the Qur'an came about. People today are not stupid, simplistic thinkers, and unknowedgble as what people where in those days. The world has so much information collected by many authorities, recorded and available through many sources, so it is easier to obtain the truth as it really is and hard cold facts.

I am not a Jew, but the Jewish people have more right then any other monotheistic religion to claim that they are the right way and their belief is the true word of God. Abraham, Mosses, Noah, Jesus where all Jews (Jesus later started is own faith like Muhammad).

There is one fact of life which no one can argue about the authenticy of religions as it lays with the monotheistic religions. This is, that all messangers or prohits before muhhammad recieved the message directly from god, spoke directly to god, where as Muhhammad never did and only spoke and recieved his messanger by Gebreial. This alone makes the the Islamic religion to many suspicious of its true authenticy to what Muhhammad lays claim to. This alone can be debated that Islam and Muhhammad is nothing more then a fraud if one wishes to make those claims, but no one wants to rock the boat due to the backlash it would cause by Muslims.

No matter what faith we follow, everything, everything must be questioned. Even in the Quar'an, the old and new testimates God says to us not to accept faith blindly.

[Green Gaia]

Let's be careful not to get into a debate here, please. Thanks If there is something you would like to debate, we have the proper forum for that.