Who wrote the Quran? (Moses, followers, translation, hell, Revelation)

[DontFearMe]

Like usual chooky conjects and brings no proof. no debate on that.1

[chookyman]

DontFearMe

Look, I don't have time to start bringing you the resources of my facts, as I have other things to do which would be considered even more important. Be thankful I take the time to express my view in my way in regards to what other people write.

Most of the points I raise are common knowledge, logic / commonsence, and are widely available. This is just you sad attempt to be little me and trying to shoot me down because I threaten your beliefs and that what you value.

[DontFearMe]

Originally Posted by chookyman

DontFearMe

Look, I don't have time to start bringing you the resources of my facts, as I have other things to do which would be considered even more important. Be thankful I take the time to express my view in my way in regards to what other people write.

It would be wise to bring evidence if you're going to make a claim.

Most of the points I raise are common knowledge, logic / commonsence, and are widely available. This is just you sad attempt to be little me and trying to shoot me down because I threaten your beliefs and that what you value.

Now who is the one to say what is common knowledge and what isn't? I'm not belittling you, however like I said earlier, if you want to make a claim, back it with evidence.

[chookyman]

Hay look, if you want facts and know your faiths, then you only need to look in your holybook collection and you will find them all there. Everything I say comes from what I read. If you want to turn this forum into some accademic essay or assignment I suggest you study religion at university and not here.

[_salam_]

Originally Posted by chookyman

Hay look, if you want facts and know your faiths, then you only need to look in your holybook collection and you will find them all there. Everything I say comes from what I read. If you want to turn this forum into some accademic essay or assignment I suggest you study religion at university and not here.

I like your point that if we want to know facts about our faith that we should look to our "holy book collection", cause we will find them there. However in all the statements you made you never gave anybody any evidence, quotes, or verses from these books. Now this doesn't help anybody out cause nobody can check to make sure that your statements are true or not. Any how, since you claim that your to busy to put these quotes in your responses I figured I would help you out by giving some quotes from my book collection.

All of the quotes in this post are from the book "The Complete Idiots Guide To The Koran." Written by Shaykh Muhammad Sarwar and Brandon Toropov.

Regarding your statement, "You say there are no instances of genocides in the Qur'an, well explain the many academic documents which talk about, which has become known today, "The Sword of Islam".
Since you never gave us any of the names of these "academic documents" I have decided to provide the following quote from the book I mentioned above.

"Like both Judaism and Christianity, Islam has, and has always had, adherents willing to die for their beliefs. The common Western notion, however, that the worldwide popularity of Islam is the result of its having been forcibly imposed upon millions of people who would otherwise have had nothing to do with it, is absurd. This idea is also more than a little insulting to the 1.7 billion Muslims of the world.
No Muslim armies battled in Indonesia (the country with the largest number of Muslims in the world today) or on the east coast of Africa (a region where the faith experienced dramatic growth in the twentieth century). And despite some of the least flattering media coverage imaginable, Islam has emerged as the fastest-growing religion in the United States over the last 50 years. There was, of course, no military campaign to impose Islam in the United States--or, for that matter, in Europe, where it has spread with similar vigor.
The often-overlooked truth is that, while Christian armies slaughtered Muslim men, women, and children during the Crusades, Muslim armies practiced a system of humane warfare that limited the application of violence to combatants and required respect for the religious practices of civilians. Consider, too, that Muslim leaders ruled in Spain for roughly 800 years and in India for roughly 1,000 years. In neither case were non-Muslims forced to convert under the threat of violence. (European armies, however, systematically repressed and murdered Muslims in Spain following military victory there!)
The question of whether any movement can assume global dimensions, and thrive for more than fourteen centuries by means of force, rather than by means of powerful-yet peacful-quiding principles, is an interesting one. While we ponder it, we can consider the existence of the 14 million Arabs who taday practice the Coptic Christianity of their ancestors. Islam simply cannot have been founded upon the idea of forced conversion-otherwise, Arab Christians would never have escaped annihilation centureis ago when they refused to convert to Islam.
Although Islam's initial triumphs certainly had a military dimension, just as the spread of Christianity in Europe did, the faith endured and spread because of its message, not because of compulsion and the sword. Indeed, the Koran forbids forced conversion.
In his book "Islam at the Crossroads", historian DeLacy O'Leary writes that "History makes it clear... that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated."

I hope this post helps give some credibility to those who were wondering about the statements made by Chookyman.

[_salam_]

Now moving on to Chookyman's next topic, I again have decided to quote sections from the same book mentioned above.

Chookyman stated that "It never stops to amaze me how muslims keep on saying that Islam has always been around and is not a new religion, that it is the last verses of the old testimate. Look, muslims claim to this fact because they say they follow the religion of Abraham."

From the afore mentioned book:

"Non-Muslims frequently refer to Islam as having been "founded" by Muhammad in the seventh century C.E. The Muslim view, however, is that faith in the One God has been revealed to humanity consistently from the very earliest moments of human experience, and that Muhammad was the last in a long series of Prophets chosen by Allah. It is therefore incorrect to refer to Muhammad as some kind of social, religious, or cultural innovator operating independently of Allah. It is iqually incorrect, believers insist, to suggest that Muhammad, and not Allah, was the author of the Koran.
Muhammad is, from this point of view, the receiver of the final divine revelation to mankind. The religion that accompanies that revelation, however, shouldn't be confused as originating as a result of the thoughts and actions of a single man. It is eternal, and it commences with the Creation."

And a little further in the book it has this to say regarding the Prophets.

"Muslims revere the messages of the Prophets-but they also believe that, as a matter of historical fact, people who aren't Prophets have often revised and misinterpreted the experiences and teachings of the Prophets-in some cases breaking those experiences into separate religions. In the Koran, we read that Allah doesn't want humanity to distinguish between the messages of his Prophets, but instructs people to regard them as a single faith:
(Muslims), say, "We believe in God and what He has revealed to us and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, and their descendants, and what was revealed to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among them and to God we have submitted ourselves." Koran (2:136)

Chookyman also stated "Abraham never ever refered to his faith as Islam, nor did he ever record it any form of communication.", and "I am not a Jew, but the Jewish people have more right then any other monotheistic religion to claim that they are the right way and their belief is the true word of God. Abraham, Mosses, Noah, Jesus where all Jews (Jesus later started is own faith like Muhammad)."

As far as I know Abraham never called himself a Jew either. So saying that just because he didn't call himself a Muslim doesn't mean that he wasn't giving the same message as Muhammad. You can call the religion or message whatever you want, whats important is whether or not the essential message is the same.