What do Muslims believe? (Jesus, Creator, Moses, Earth, Revelation)

[The Shield of Islam]

I dont think the above article is talking about million of years !!

I have the historical proof, want to have a look ?

[Green Gaia]

Well the Prophet Muhammad lived ca. 570-632, so if the moon was formed from something hitting the Earth during this time, I think that would be a well known fact to all. But go ahead, let me see your historical proof.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by The Shield of Islam

I dont think the above article is talking about million of years !!

How long ago is it talking about then, because the article doesn't say....

[(Q)]

Shield

That article says nothing about the splitting of the moon therefore your claim is bogus.

The article states there is evidence to suggest that the Earth was pulverized by an object approxiamately the size of Mars, not millions of years ago, billions of years ago. From that debris was formed the Earth and the Moon.

I'm getting the impression you are not here for any kind of serious discussion of Islam.

[Runt]

No Q, you're getting the impression that he believes differently than you do, and you don't like it. Might I point out that this forum is titled "What do Muslims believe"? Meaning Shield, a Muslim, has every right to state what he believes and base his beliefs on whatever he wants... if you want to argue about whether or not his beliefs have any logic/evidence to back them up, make a seperate forum for it.

[The Shield of Islam]

Originally Posted by Maize

Well the Prophet Muhammad lived ca. 570-632, so if the moon was formed from something hitting the Earth during this time, I think that would be a well known fact to all. But go ahead, let me see your historical proof.

We are not talking about the formation of the moon maize, we are talking about splitting the moon ( one of prophet Muhammad(pbuh ) mircales.

Anyway, let us now go to the historical proof:

An Indian King Witness of Moon Splitting (Miracle of Prophet Muhammad PBUH)

WITNESS OF MOON SPLITTING (A MIRACLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH ))

CHAKRAWATI FARMAS KING OF MALABAR, INDIA

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It was quoted in the book "Muhammad Rasulullah," by M. Hamidullah:

"There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messanger of God from Arabia (Detail given bellow), he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the "Indian king" was piously visited for many centuries."

The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel[1].

The king spent weeks in seclusion. In the midst of his quiet life, he set out on the journey along with the Arab travelers who'd promised him earlier. On the way, they stopped by Koylandi and from there to Dharmapatnam where they halted for 3 days. Then they set out to Shehr Muqalla. On reaching there, they set for the Hajj pilgrimage and thereafter returned to Malabar. He aspired to spread the message of Islam. But on the way, he fell sick and breathed his last.

A tradition of the Holy Prophet has also been reported from one of the companions, Abu Saeed al Kaudri, regarding the arrival of Cheraman Perumel. "A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Holy Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat ". (Hakim reports in 'Al Musthadrak )

Umar Qazi's poem on Cheraman Perumal.
Umar Qazi was well aware of the story of Cheraman Perumal - the first Indian to accept Islam. He narrates it thus in one of his poems inscribed on the walls of Ponnani Juma Masjid.

Kodungallur was a center of festivals established by the great Emperor Cheraman Perumal .....
The major part of all the minor kingdoms were under his rule ...
As such, one day he saw he saw the moon split into two (a miracle of Holy Prophet performed in Arabia) on a clear cloudless night ....
As a result the love for Holy Prophet grew in his heart and he became the earliest Muslim of this nation....[2]

Moon Splitting in The Quran:

The splitting of the moon is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an, Surah Al-Qamar (54), Verses 1-3:

The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
And if they behold a portent they turn away and say:
Prolonged illusion.
They denied (the Truth) and followed their own lusts.
Yet everything will come to a decision.

Moon Splitting in Hadiths:

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: "During the lifetime of the Prophet the moon was split into two parts and on that the Prophet said, 'Bear witness (to thus).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 830)"

Narrated Anas: "That the Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 831)"

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 832)"

Narrated Anas bin Malik: "The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split ( into two pieces ) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, "Be witnesses." Then a Piece of the moon went towards the mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 209)"

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split (into two places). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 210)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split (into two pieces). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 211)"[3]

According to Maududi, the traditionists and commentators have agreed that this incident took place at Mina in Makkah about five years before the Holy Prophet's Hijra (migration) to Madinah.

The Moon had split into two distinct parts in front of their very eyes. The two parts had separated and receded so much apart from each other that to the on-lookers (in Makkah) one part had appeared on one side of the mountain and the other on the other side of it. Then, in an instant the two had rejoined. This was a manifest proof of the truth that the system of the universe was neither eternal nor immortal, it could be disrupted.

This incident indicated that huge stars and planets could split asunder, disintegrate, collide with each other, and everything that had been described in the Qur'an on the Resurrection could happen. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) invited the people's attention to this event only with this object in view and asked them to mark it and be a witness to it. But the disbelievers described it as a magical illusion and persisted in their denial. They were reproached in Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon) for their stubbornness.

Other Relevant Notes:

It is due to this incident about their king, the people of Malabar became the first community in India to accept Islam. Subsequently, they increased their trade with Arabs, as the Arab ships used to pass by their shores on the way to China before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Malabar also had a Christian community dating back from the earliest followers of Prophet Jesus ('Isa), pbuh. St. Thomas is believed to have migrated to India and died there. This community remained untouched by later theological developments in Christianity until the arrival of Portugese traveler Vasco da Gama.

When the British were consolidating their stronghold in India, they deployed the largest naval operation (on the shores of India) against the Muslims of Malabar[4].

Predictions of the coming of a Messanger of God from Arabia
Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) was commanded by God to inform that he was not the only Messenger of God to the world [Al Qur'an 46:9]. Scholars say that there had been some 124,000 Prophet sent to the world who preached in the language of the respective people [A Qur'an 14:4]. The true religion they preached and their scriptures got corrupted with passage of time (with the exception of Al Qur'an). However, the message on the last and greatest Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) is retained till date in the scriptures of all major world religions.

The Hindu scriptures identify the greatest Prophet to come mentioning details of his birth, events of his life, his followers, etc. Some even give his Arabic name or its equivalents! This article will help creating right belief (Iman) in other religionists.

Further, it will help Muslims appreciate yet another facet of greatness of Prophet (Pbuh) and deepen their Iman. We will see here only a sample of the overwhelming evidences!

Prophet (Pbuh) Foretold in India (A) Hindu scriptures

There is no doubt that God sent Prophets (Pbuh) to people of India. There is no mention of any Indian Prophet or scripture in Holy Qur'an. But Bukhari records Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) as saying he was enjoying breeze wafting from India laden with fragrance of Tawhid (unity of God). The four Vedas (scriptures) of Hindus and their epics are said to be 5000-10,000 years old. They contain a great deal of monotheistic ideas, and of course, prophecies on Hadrath Muhammad (Pbuh).

Bhavishya Puran
This is a Sanskrit work of prophecies. The title means 'Book of the Future'. Since Hinduism is based in India it was, and still is, taken for granted that its sages will be born in India itself. Contrary to this belief the Book says that a great master will appear in a foreign country (mlechcha acharya) and live in a sandy region (marusthal). His name will be Mahaaamad. Within a short span of 18 couplets Mahaamad is mentioned five times.

There is an interesting information in Bhavishya Purana that Mahaamad would appear to Bhoj, ruler of Dhar, and say that he would establish the religion of meat eaters, by the command of Ishwar i.e. God. There is a tradition that long afterwards, Bhoj got terrified on seeing the full moon split into two. Learned men consulted holy books and told him that it was one of the signs of the Universal Master to be born in a country to the West. Bhoj sent his minister to Prophet (Pbuh) in Arabia, who named the king Abdullah. The Tomb of Abdullah is still there at Dhar...

Mahabharat
This is a Hindu epic describing the struggle and triumph of good against evil. It was written by sage Vyas who also authored Bhavishya Purana. Mahabharata says that in the last eon called Kali Yug (in which we now live) a great sage will appear with name Mahaamad. He would preach about unity of God. He will be driven away from his native place by his own folk. By him the world would get peace. (Islam means peace). Mahabharat further says that cloud will provide him shade. It is recorded in history that Buhaira, the Christian priest of Syria observed this sign with Muhammad e in his boyhood and identified him as the last Prophet anticipated for millennia.

Kalki Puran
The signs and events of the final Avatar Kalki point out to final Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh). They fit those of Muhammad (Pbuh) neatly and perfectly. They are as follows;

Kalki will appear in the last on Kali Yug and will be the guide for the entire world.

He will be born on the 12th day of the month. Prophet (Pbuh) as born on 12th Of Rabiyyul Awwal).

His parents will be: Vishnu Bhagat and Soomati meaning servant of God (the Cherisher) and peace. (Messenger's (Pbuh) father's name was Abdullah, God's servant and mother was Amina refuge giver which includes the idea of 'peace'.)

He will be with a beauty par-excellence. His body will be fragrant.

He will get wisdom on a mountain. (Messenger (Pbuh) was conferred Prophethood on Mt.Hira)

He will receive a horse from God, which will be faster than lightning. Riding it he will go around the earth and seven skies. (During Mi'raj Prophet (Pbuh) got Buraq meaning lightning and toured the entire universe.)

Kalki will split the moon. Like Bhoj, Cheraman (Zamorin) Perumal the ruler of Indian kingdom of Kerala, witnessed splitting of the moon performed by Prophet (Pbuh). After gathering the facts he sailed to Arabia and became Muslim at Prophet's (Pbuh) hand. His Tomb is near the city of Salala in Oman[5].
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[1] See: "CHAKRAWATI FARMAS King of Malabar India" by Dr. Z. HAQ at http://cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html
[2] See: "Cheraman Perumal The First Indian To Accept Islam" at http://jaihoon.com/watan/perumalfirst.htm.
[3] See: "Did Prophet Muhammad really split the moon with his index finger" at http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_split.htm
[4] See: "CHAKRAWATI FARMAS King of Malabar, India" by Dr.Z.HAQ at http://cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html
[5] See: "Ultimate Prophet (Pbuh) Foretold" by M. I. Liaqat Ali at http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywo...criptures.html.

[The Shield of Islam]

Originally Posted by (Q)

Shield

That article says nothing about the splitting of the moon therefore your claim is bogus.

The article states there is evidence to suggest that the Earth was pulverized by an object approxiamately the size of Mars, not millions of years ago, billions of years ago. From that debris was formed the Earth and the Moon.

I'm getting the impression you are not here for any kind of serious discussion of Islam.

MATERIALIST Athiests and their absurd imitators, who attempt to cast a shadow over such a moon-like miracle of Muhammad (S) by vicious misgivings, say, "If the splitting of the moon had occurred, it would have been known to the whole world and narrated on all the books of history."

OUR ANSWER: The splitting of the moon was demonstrated as an evidence of prophethood. It happened instantaneously, before a certain group of deniers at a time of night when people were asleep. There were, at the same time, obstacles that prevented others from witnessing this event, such as fog, clouds, and the time differences between parts of the world. Furthermore, science had not spread at the time, so that researches were very limited. This miracle therefore, was not intended to be witnessed all over the world and to be narrated by all historians. Now listen to the following Five Points that will clear the clouds of misgiving concerning the miracle of the splitting of the moon.

First Point:

The extreme stubbornness of the unbelievers at that tome was notorious. However, when the Most Wise Qur'an announced this occurrence through the verse, And the moon split, none of them dared to contradict the event that was reported by this verse, although they were rejecters of the whole of the Qur'an. If this event had not been witnessed by the unbelievers, they would have denounced this verse and made use of this opportunity in their formidable attacks against the Prophet (S). Whereas neither the Prophet's (S) biography or history reports denial of the occurrence of this event from them. What has been narrated be history is, as the verse, They say, "This is evident magic," Points out that they called it magic. They said, "If the caravans at other places have witnessed this, it is true, otherwise, it is magic. When the caravans coming from Yemen and other places told them the following morning that they had witnessed such an event, they said--God forbid!--"The magic of Abu Talibs's orphan has affected the heavens!"

Second Point:

Most of the foremost scholars such as Sa'd ad-Din at-Taftazani have stated that "The occurrence of the splitting of the moon is mutawatir, just like the running of the water from the fingers of the Prophet (S) and the drinking of a whole army, the weeping of a wooden pillar, against which the Prophet (S) would lean when delivering sermons, at the Prophet's (S) separation and it's being heard by a vast group. This has been transmitted by one truthful group of people to another, forming together so vast a community as its collision to lie is inconceivable. It is as certain as a famous comet having been seen a thousand years ago, or as the existence of the island of Ceylon that we have not seen."

To express doubts about such certain and witnessed occurrences is unreasonable. For their not being impossible is enough reason for their acceptability; as for the splitting of the moon, it is quite as possible as a mountain's splitting with a volcanic eruption.

Third Point:

Miracles take place in order to prove the claim of prophethood, to convince deniers, and not to force them to believe. This miracle needed to convince those who had already heard of the prophet hood of Muhammad (S). To let it be seen from other parts of the world, or to demonstrate it in an undeniably obvious way, therefore, would have been contrary to the Wisdom of the All-Wise Creator and to the purpose of man's function in the universe, which is to open the way for the mind without disabling the free will. If the All-Wise Creator had, in accordance with the whims of materialist philosophers, left the moon in the same condition for a few hours to show it to the entire world, and if this fact had thereby been recorded by all historians, it would have been treated among other astronomical incidents, without being restricted to the messengership of Muhammad (S) and without being considered a proof of prophethood. Or, it would have been such an obvious miracle that it would have forced the mind to believe and deprived it of the free will. As a consequence, coal and diamonds (or Abu Jahl and Abu Bakr) would have been the same--the purpose of man's function in the universe would have been lost. This was the reason why this miracle was not shown to the entire world to be recorded in all books of history.

Point Four:

Since this event took place instantaneously and at a time when people were asleep, it would not, of course, have been seen everywhere. Even if some people had seen it, they would not have believed their eyes; even if they had, such individual reports would not have constituted an inexhaustible theme for historians. Furthermore, and in addition to some other obstacles, it was sunset in Spain and England (which were then under the clouds of ignorance)when this incident happened, daytime in America, and morning in China and Japan; so it could not be observed in other parts of the world. Yet thoughtless rejecters say, "It did not occur, as it is not mentioned in the histories of such people as the Chinese, Japanese, and Americans." A thousand curses upon such bootlickers of the Western philosophers!

(On the other hand, the claim that the moon came down to earth after it had split into two parts has been rejected by scholars. It has been suggested that this claim is probably the work of a hypocrite, aimed at reducing the value of this manifest miracle.)

Fifth Point:

The splitting of the moon was not a product of chance, nor did it occur as a result of natural causes; the ordinary laws of nature are hence inapplicable to this case. In fact, the All-Wise Creator of the sun and the moon wonderfully brought it about as evidence to uphold the prophethood the prophethood of His Messenger and to throw greater light upon his course. The purpose of human obligation, the mystery of guidance and the wisdom of the prophetic message required its demonstration to certain people defined by the lord's wisdom. And those who were not intended and who had not yet heard about the prophethood of Muhammad were prevented from seeing this occurrence by means of many obstacles such as clouds, fog, and time differences. If it had been shown to all alike as a miracle of the Prophet (S), his prophethood would have been so manifest that everyone would have been compelled to accept it; nothing would have been left to the mind--whereas belief is to be acquired by the choice of the mind--and the motive of human obligation would have been lost. If, on the other hand, it had been shown to others as an astronomical incident, it would have had no peculiarity to and no relationship with the message of Muhammad.

As the possibility of the happening of the splitting of the moon has clearly been demonstrate, and there remains no doubt about it, we will now point out six evidences1 of its occurrence out of many.

The concurrence of the Companions of the Prophet (S), who are all men of justice, The agreement of all discerning interpreters on the explanation of this verse, "And the moon split,"
It's having been narrated by all truthful traditionalists through various authentic channels, The testimony of all the men of truth and sainthood--the men of Inspiration and spiritual discovery, The conformation of theologians who widely vary in their outlooks and of profound scholars,
The concurrence of the nation of Muhammad, who, as established by authentic narration, never agree on error.
These are six evidences that prove the splitting of the moon as brightly as the sun.

To conclude, our words up to now have been aimed at proving the occurrence of the miracle and the refutation of the objections to it. The words henceforth will be on behalf of the truth and in the name of faith. So much for the proof; now the truth speaks:

Namely, six evidences that prove the occurrence of this event with a sixfold affirmation.
We regret that this subject has been cut short, although it deserves much more explanation.

The Seal of the Prophets and the brilliant moon in the heaven of messenger-ship showed through hid Ascension the greatest wonder and the supreme miracle if his sainthood, one at the degree of the best beloved servant of Allah. This miracle was to conduct an earthly being through the heavens and show the inhabitants of the heavens and of the highest abodes his superiority to them and his belovedness of Allah. Similarly, such a miracle was demonstrated to the inhabitants of the earth as evidence of his messengership that the moon, which is set in the sky and bound to the earth, split into two upon the gesture of an earthly being. And, these two miracles of his sainthood and messengership as two luminous wings--like the two luminous wing of the moon split into two--he flew to the heaven of perfection, to the Distance of Two Bowstrings, and became the glory of both the beings of the earth and those of the heavens.

So many peace and blessings be upon him and his family as to fill the earth and heavens.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4482/moon.htm

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by The Shield of Islam

We are not talking about the formation of the moon maize, we are talking about splitting the moon ( one of prophet Muhammad(pbuh ) mircales.

Then why the NASA article on the moon being formed from the Earth? :?

[(Q)]

No Q, you're getting the impression that he believes differently than you do, and you don't like it.

No, he has posted a NASA article in an attempt to show evidence the moon was split. The article has nothing to do with his belief. He is therefore trying to deceive rather than back up his belief.