Facts About Islam

[Shamuwn]

Originally Posted by Sajdah

Wa alaikum assalam



I think there is a little misunderstanding here....I was referring to the Bible not the holy Qur'an.....

Thanks

I'm at work I have to get back with you to show you want I'm talking about .


ARaaka Fiy Maa Ba'd In Shaa A Allah

[Shamuwn]

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[Sajdah]

The Qur'an is the word of God.

Let us examine the Qur’an more closely. Starting with the content, could the knowledge therein have been within the reach of any human source, i.e., the Prophet Muhammad, his contemporaries, or the whole human civilization and for several centuries ahead? How could a book revealed at that point of history refer —in precise terms—to scientific phenomena and historical events—prior and subsequent—that were unknown or misunderstood before their subsequent verification?

These Qur’anic references cover such wide spectrum of topics as the nature of space, relativity of time, the shape and motion of the earth, the role of mountains, water for life, the water cycle, the sources of rivers and groundwater, sea depths, embryology, hygiene and proper health practices, prophecies fulfilled (after revelation), etc.

As to the form of the Qur’an—i.e., linguistic and literary features—any strict comparative analysis identifies the Qur’an to be not only superior to any other text—preceding or following, including the sayings of the Prophet himself, who received and delivered the revelation—but also to be a perfect, flawless and the most eloquent composition. This perfection can be witnessed and proved on the levels of the individual words (semantics), sentence (grammar and rhetoric), and whole surahs (chapters).

Thorough examination of the Qur’an shows that each of these elements was selected and phrased in the most appropriate manner to fulfill the most precise meaning and most effective impact, whether cognitive, psychological, passionate, or phonic, on the reader or listener. The Qur’an challenges mankind, Arabs and non-Arabs, to the end of time, to produce anything like or compared to itself.

The Qur’an is unique in consistency, harmony, intelligence and rationality:

The Qur’an is the book without inconsistencies; one part of its text, (or doctrine) does not clash with the other. In fact, it sets the absence of contradiction, irrationality, and incoherence, as one of the criteria for checking the authenticity of any divine revelation. It states "Do they not ponder the Qur’an (with care)? Had this book been from anybody but Allah, you would have found much inconsistencies.” (Surat An-Nisa:82).

Because contradictions and inconsistencies call for the negation of one part, which is in conflict with the other and this automatically invalidates portions of the book. In turn that makes it difficult for a man to remain true to any one value, thereby creating mental conflict, emotional and spiritual instability. "Skip some, follow some," “pick and choose" and "no absolutes" become the pattern. And these exercise an extremely damaging influence upon a truth-conscious, rational man with regard to belief in Allah and with regard to the credibility of the book itself. And it leads to dilemmas where sincere minds become "disjointed" and "disenchanted," eventually steering them away from the book or turn them into hypocrites.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who had absolutely no reason to favor one book, especially that of Islam, over the others (if anything, as human nature is, he would only favor the books of his own religion, but not the Qur’an) attests to the Qura’nic claim in his book. "The Quran ... is not only free from contradictions in its narrations, the sign of various human manipulations to be found in the Gospels, but provides a quality of its own for those who examine it objectively and in the light of science i.e. its complete agreement with modern scientific data.”

The Book may be great but what is its impact on the people, you might ask. If no impact it has any significance. How true! The Qur’an is unique in terms of its Blitzing Impact, also.

There have been many other religious books and revelations before the Qur’an. But of these, only the Holy Qur’an had the most electrifying impact upon the people. Its lightning-like rapidity, in a short few decades, reached the hearts and minds of the masses of several continents, transforming the lives of idolaters, alcoholics, exploiters, abusers, perverts, into men and women of pristine monotheism, of highest virtue and piety. Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an's record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.”

Islamonline.net,
Reading Islam.com

[Shamuwn]

Originally Posted by Sajdah

The Qur'an is the word of God.

Let us examine the Qur’an more closely. Starting with the content, could the knowledge therein have been within the reach of any human source, i.e., the Prophet Muhammad, his contemporaries, or the whole human civilization and for several centuries ahead? How could a book revealed at that point of history refer —in precise terms—to scientific phenomena and historical events—prior and subsequent—that were unknown or misunderstood before their subsequent verification?

These Qur’anic references cover such wide spectrum of topics as the nature of space, relativity of time, the shape and motion of the earth, the role of mountains, water for life, the water cycle, the sources of rivers and groundwater, sea depths, embryology, hygiene and proper health practices, prophecies fulfilled (after revelation), etc.

As to the form of the Qur’an—i.e., linguistic and literary features—any strict comparative analysis identifies the Qur’an to be not only superior to any other text—preceding or following, including the sayings of the Prophet himself, who received and delivered the revelation—but also to be a perfect, flawless and the most eloquent composition. This perfection can be witnessed and proved on the levels of the individual words (semantics), sentence (grammar and rhetoric), and whole surahs (chapters).

Thorough examination of the Qur’an shows that each of these elements was selected and phrased in the most appropriate manner to fulfill the most precise meaning and most effective impact, whether cognitive, psychological, passionate, or phonic, on the reader or listener. The Qur’an challenges mankind, Arabs and non-Arabs, to the end of time, to produce anything like or compared to itself.

The Qur’an is unique in consistency, harmony, intelligence and rationality:

The Qur’an is the book without inconsistencies; one part of its text, (or doctrine) does not clash with the other. In fact, it sets the absence of contradiction, irrationality, and incoherence, as one of the criteria for checking the authenticity of any divine revelation. It states "Do they not ponder the Qur’an (with care)? Had this book been from anybody but Allah, you would have found much inconsistencies.” (Surat An-Nisa:82).

Because contradictions and inconsistencies call for the negation of one part, which is in conflict with the other and this automatically invalidates portions of the book. In turn that makes it difficult for a man to remain true to any one value, thereby creating mental conflict, emotional and spiritual instability. "Skip some, follow some," “pick and choose" and "no absolutes" become the pattern. And these exercise an extremely damaging influence upon a truth-conscious, rational man with regard to belief in Allah and with regard to the credibility of the book itself. And it leads to dilemmas where sincere minds become "disjointed" and "disenchanted," eventually steering them away from the book or turn them into hypocrites.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who had absolutely no reason to favor one book, especially that of Islam, over the others (if anything, as human nature is, he would only favor the books of his own religion, but not the Qur’an) attests to the Qura’nic claim in his book. "The Quran ... is not only free from contradictions in its narrations, the sign of various human manipulations to be found in the Gospels, but provides a quality of its own for those who examine it objectively and in the light of science i.e. its complete agreement with modern scientific data.”

The Book may be great but what is its impact on the people, you might ask. If no impact it has any significance. How true! The Qur’an is unique in terms of its Blitzing Impact, also.

There have been many other religious books and revelations before the Qur’an. But of these, only the Holy Qur’an had the most electrifying impact upon the people. Its lightning-like rapidity, in a short few decades, reached the hearts and minds of the masses of several continents, transforming the lives of idolaters, alcoholics, exploiters, abusers, perverts, into men and women of pristine monotheism, of highest virtue and piety. Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an's record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.”

Islamonline.net,
Reading Islam.com

With All Do Respect This is < Not Truth > Because The Challenge has been met

Thorough examination of the Qur’an shows that each of these elements was selected and phrased in the most appropriate manner to fulfill the most precise meaning and most effective impact, whether cognitive, psychological, passionate, or phonic, on the reader or listener. [ The Qur’an challenges mankind, Arabs and non-Arabs, to the end of time, to produce anything like or compared to itself. ]

[Shamuwn]

Any reader of The Qur'aan that is familiar with The Old Testament , Or The New Testament , Discovers that the names and events of The Books and Prophet have been definitely Copied in The Qur'aan . This post will prove to you that Muslims took the bulk of their religion , And their language from the So-called Jew or Christians or other cultures that Predated them , Yet some will Argue with you and try to convince you that Islaam its Scrptures , The Qur'aan is authentic . When in fact , I can give you serveral Words and Customs that was taken from The Socalled Jews . For example , The ceremony of The Cirumcision ( Genesis 17 ; 10 ) Was taken from The So-called , The concept of a holy day called Sabbath ( Genesis 2 ; 2 - 3 ) Was taken from The So-called Jews , And called Jum'ah - arabic - ( Qur'aan Chapter 62 ) By the Muslims .

The concept of a Turbaan or Prayer Cap , Which The Muslims call a Kiffa , Came from The So-called Jews / Jewish Yamaka or Yarmulke , The concept of the Muslims Kalimat Tawhiyd ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) Was taken from The So-called Jews Shama Yishrael - aramic - '' Hear Og Israel '' ( Dueteronomy 6 ; 4 , Or Dueteronomy4 ; 35 , Where they took their Kalimat , Laa Ilaaha Illa Allah - arabic - ( Qur'aan 47 ; 19 ) And this was carried over to Christianity ( Mark 12 ; 29 ) . And that's where Muslims borrowed it from . They took the concept of Fasting from The So-called Jews ( Nehemiah 9 ; 1 ) , The concept of Alms giving ( Qur'aan 4 ; 162 ) , Their concept of making Hajj ( Ezra 3 ; 4 , 6 ; 22 ) .

What most Muslims don't even know is that their whole concept of The Pilgrimage to their ( Ka'aba ) in Mecca ,Which they call The Hajj , And the person who complets The Pilgrimage is call a Hajji , Is a word duplicated from the name of Prohet Haggai and The festive Khag OrHag - aramic - ( Exodus 12 ; 14 ) . This is when the children of Israel in the book of Ezra make a Pilgimage out of Babylonian captivity , To return to the holy land back to the Temple of Solomon , The Holy of Holies , The most sacred building on earth to them .

It's the exact same story , Even the same titles ; They took the concept of wearing The Ihraam from The So-called Jews , Who took it from The Ancient Ehyptian practice of Priests of Amun-Ra . The concept of the story of Nimord ( Qur'aan 2 ; 259 ) Was copied from The So-called Jews / Jewish Narrative of the Mishnah from The Midrash Rabba , Chapter 17 .

The concept of wearing the face veil , Khimaar - arabic ( Genesis 24 ; 65 ) And wearing sweet smelling oils Qituwrah - arabic - Meaning '' Sweet Fragrance '' From Qehtoret - aramic - And burning incense ( Exodus 30 ; 7 , 23 , 34 ) . And they also took words like Sawkar meaning '' Strong Drink '' From the Hebrews , And changed it to Sakhraan meaning '' Drunk '' The House '' Bayt of Lord ( Qur'aan 106 ; 3 ) . Take from the Hebrew Beth , The word Rabb , - arabic - meanig '' Master Or Sustainer '' From Rabb .

The word Jannah - arabic - From The Aramic / Hebrew Gan , Th word Sama'a or Samaawaati - arabic - From The Aramic / Hebrew '' Shamayim - aramic - meaning '' The Skies , '' The word Ard - arabic - Take from The Aramic / Hebrew Ehrets - aramic - Meaning '' The Earth Land , '' Baab - arabic - , from the Aramic / Hebrew Bawb , meaning '' Door '' , Aba - arabic From The Aramic / Hebrew word Ab , '' Meaning Father , '' Malak , - arabic - from The Aramic / Hebrew Melek , Meaning '' King Or Ruler '' , Yad from The Aramic / Hebrew word 'Yawd , Meaninf '' Hand , '' Amiyn - arabic , Amen , '' Mu'minun - arabic - Mu'minaati - arabic - El Mu'min - arabic - Etc , One of Allahs attributes ( 6th ) Was take from The Aramic / Hebrew '' Awmane , Meaning '' To Have Faith , '' El Bariyu - arabic - ,

The 12th Attribute , Meaning '' The Fasioner '' from The Aramic / Hebrew '' Bara , '' Meaning '' To Replenish '' Al Musawwiru - arabic - The Fashioner , from The Aramic / Hebrew Tsawr , Meaning '' To Make '' Al of the attributes of Arabic was Taken from Hebrew ; Including Salaam - arabic - Islaam - arabic - Muslim - arabic - All came from The Aramic / Hebrew Word Shalom - Meaning '' Peace ''

[Sajdah]

Originally Posted by Shamuwn

With All Do Respect This is < Not Truth > Because The Challenge has been met

Really!! So who met it, where and when exactly?!

Look, because you are new to the forum, I want to tell you that it is against the forum rules to debate in Islam DIR....So please refrain from posting such claims here, and read the posts carefully, you will find the refutation of such distortions.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Sajdah

Part One: The Holy Qur'an.

The discredit:
In the earlier times, the so-called non-Muslim scholars of the Qur'an made several arguments challenging its authenticity. Among the chief accusations were that it was a book written by Prophet Muhammad, or a scripture copied from the Old and New Testament as dictated by Khadeeja bint Khawlid, (the wife of the Prophet), or a document compiled by Muslim scholars over a period of 300 years, or a scripture that was secretly compiled at the Vatican to be delivered to the Prophet through Christian missionaries in Arabia, or a book that was compiled at the time of the third Caliph Uthman.

The Fact:

The authenticity of a book depends on its verification by the one that either authored it or narrated it. For example, some 15 years ago, a German scholar claimed to have made an earth-shaking discovery when he published what he called ‘The Diaries of Adolph Hitler’. The London Times published excerpts of the diary, describing it as the most sensational story of the century. A few months later, it was conclusively proven that the diary was fake and was written by anonymous authors. The major argument advanced to disprove the book was that no one knew about it, not even the closest of Hitler's supporters. Above all, he never approved it or delivered it to anyone.
If the book or scriptures attributed to an individual--as an author or a source of narration--is compiled and verified in the lifetime of that narrator or author, then its authenticity can be taken as face value. Otherwise, doubt will remain in the minds of readers regarding the true origin of the book or of the contents of the book.

Among all the religious books that exist today, the Qur'an is the only one that has the privilege of being compiled and approved by the Prophet who received it. Azvesta, the book of Zoroastrian, was compiled 1,500 years after the death of its author. Hindu Vedas were written hundreds of years after the death of sages who were described as the authors. The Ramayana was orally transmitted until it was written down 1,600 hundreds of years after the event. The Bhagvad Gita was in the memories of people for hundreds of years before it was committed to writing. The Old Testament was compiled by more than 40 authors. A cursory look at some basic facts suggests that it took a while for the Bible to appear as a final version of scriptures.
The Bible contains 66 books, divided among the Old and New Testaments. However, some Christian denominations believe that it has 73 chapters. Over 40 different authors from all walks of life wrote the Bible: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Prophet Moses reportedly wrote the first five books of the Bible, referred to as the Pentateuch; the foundation of the Bible. The Apostle Paul wrote 14 books (over half) of the New Testament. It took almost 1500 years to complete the scriptures. The Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years, from around 1,450 B.C. (the time of Moses) to about 100 A.D. Many scholars agree that ‘Job’ is the oldest book in the Bible, written by an unknown Israelite about 1,500 B.C. Others hold that the ‘Pentateuch’ (the first five books of the Bible) are the oldest books in the Bible, written between 1,446 and 1,406 B.C. The book of Malachi, was written in about 400 B.C.
The Book of Revelation is the youngest book of the New Testament, written about 95 A.D. The Bible was written in three languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. The entire New Testament as we know it today was accepted in the year 375 A.D. The Old Testament had previously been accepted as a sacred text long before the advent of Christ. The oldest almost-complete manuscript of the Bible now in existence is the Codex Vaticanus, which dates from the first half of the fourth century. It is located in the library of the Vatican in Rome. Older fragments of the Bible do exist, however -- a tiny scrap of the Gospel of John was found in Egypt, dating back to the beginning of the second century. (It is currently in the Rayland's Library in Manchester, England.) These facts about the Bible provide an authentic proof of its written format several hundred years after the departure of their authors.........

So let me just follow your logic here. Your argument is that we know the quran is the book of God because the guy who wrote it says that he's God's prophet, and he's the one who wrote it, so he should know?

Let me ask you a question that may stump a Muslim such as yourself. Do you see any little tiny flaw in this logic? Any at all?

[Sajdah]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

So let me just follow your logic here. Your argument is that we know the quran is the book of God because the guy who wrote it says that he's God's prophet, and he's the one who wrote it, so he should know?

The part of the article you quoted aimed to prove that the Qur'an that we have today, is the same book which was revealed to prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him...Not like any other book of other religions....Besides prophet Muhammad is the only human being that has a detailed biography, so we know everything about his life before the revelation and after it...That makes the book has much credibility for those who are interested in the truth.

Allah (SWT) says in the holy Qur'an:
[15:9]" Verily We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)."

This verse and the facts that the Qur'an is not corrupted proves the authenticity of the Qur'an.....

Any respected questions about Islam are welcomed!

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Sajdah

The part of the article you quoted aimed to prove that the Qur'an that we have today, is the same book which was revealed to prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him...Not like any other book of other religions....Besides prophet Muhammad is the only human being that has a detailed biography, so we know everything about his life before the revelation and after it...That makes the book has much credibility for those who are interested in the truth.

Allah (SWT) says in the holy Qur'an:
[15:9]" Verily We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)."

This verse and the facts that the Qur'an is not corrupted proves the authenticity of the Qur'an.....

Any respected questions about Islam are welcomed!

Proving once again that all theist arguments are either circular, special pleading, or both.

Your point is that the quran was written during the lifetime of the person purporting to have recieved its prophecy? That's it? That's your idea of evidence? That's funny.

btw what do you do with Joseph Smith?

[Shamuwn]

Originally Posted by Sajdah

Really!! So who met it, where and when exactly?!

Look, because you are new to the forum, I want to tell you that it is against the forum rules to debate in Islam DIR....So please refrain from posting such claims here, and read the posts carefully, you will find the refutation of such distortions.

If you speaking about Post # 15 , That answer to your question , When I said part of the Qur'aan came / copy from The Bible and you said it didn't . Now if your speaking of your post where that Authors / Link seems as if he Challengeing some one to bring the linkness of the Qur'aan , Now to my overstanding the original Qur'aan has be burn . So the original Qur'aan nolonger exist . I'm not going to get into the many diffrent Translation / copys and many differnt Authors of The Qur'aan . The title of your post is < Fact About Islam > Yes . So my question are we dealing with '' Belie'f's or Fact's here . If we're dealing with '' Facts '' here you made it a debate not me .

Now before anyone here get want I'm saying '' Twisted '' I'm not trying to disrespect Islam . When one make a statement / question , You can always Agree or Disagree .
Sajdah <> Remember you open the door for the type of Answer you get , When you make statement ask question . Now if you want me to answer your Challenge I can or we can leave it alone .

Araaka Fiy Maa Ba'd In Shaa A Allah