Total verses in Qur'an: they fool you again!

[Zindagee Rahmaan]

Originally Posted by Union

I remember , couple of years back when I was trying to convert a catholic woman to Islam , teaching her about Islam , after being told that there are 6666 verses in the Qur’an [At that time I was not aware of this deceit fact] , she promptly answered : ‘ Our church always tell us to refrain from those things in where the sign of beast 666 to be found ‘ .

Salaam alaik! Main point of thread has vital role in doing dawah to non muslims. But I think it is not the good place to discuss this.

Originally Posted by Union

Is it a deliberate mistake or a deep conspiracy against Islam ?

Mistake!

Have you ever heard that imaams have conflict among them at this point?
So no conspiracy. There is more importand point to discuss: Shia sect counts Quran in 40 paras, and they are at the conflict with other muslims that is more important issue to discuss I think!

I appreciate your struggle for counting verses of Quran, inshallah when you spread this in a solid way then your point will be given authoritative honor. My prayers are with you brother! May ALLAH bless you,Ameen!

[Zindagee Rahmaan]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

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[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Zindagee Rahmaan

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I merely put that in here because I wanna follow the thread.

What I find interesting is why the verse numbering is so important in the first place..?

I mean, did the very first copy have verse numbers?
If not, then why the argument over how the verses are numbered?
I mean, so long as the words were not changed, what difference does it make?

[Zindagee Rahmaan]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

I merely put that in here because I wanna follow the thread.

Most welcome!

Originally Posted by Mestemia

What I find interesting is why the verse numbering is so important in the first place..?

It is just important in recitation and memorization. That’s why I commented to Union that is not much important issue to discuss.

Originally Posted by Mestemia

I mean, did the very first copy have verse numbers?

Nay! But that copy contains verses.

Originally Posted by Mestemia

If not, then why the argument over how the verses are numbered?

I never used any arguments, I just commented! Is any thing meaningless?

Originally Posted by Mestemia

I mean, so long as the words were not changed, what difference does it make?

True it makes no difference! Numbering verses are just important for recitation and memorization.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Union

How many verses in total are there in the Qur’an ?)
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Total Verses 6236

If you add 112 ‘BismiAllah’ with it [ 1 in Fatiha and no BismiAllah in Sura Tauba added in 6236 already] , then the total comes 6236+112 = 6348 .

Thanks .

OK, brother, you seem right about these numbers. i checked and found the same numbers. do you know any source that says otherwise? i remember people saying there are 6667 verses in Qur'an but i never checked it out before. yet that number stayed in my mind if it was true. so this is my personal fault if you ask me. strange thing, not surprising though.

thank you for warning me about it



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[.lava]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

I merely put that in here because I wanna follow the thread.

What I find interesting is why the verse numbering is so important in the first place..?

I mean, did the very first copy have verse numbers?
If not, then why the argument over how the verses are numbered?
I mean, so long as the words were not changed, what difference does it make?

you're right, it does not matter considering practices cos they do not depend on numbers. yet it is very likely one of us says there are 6667 or 6666 verses in Qur'an (for example i could have cos i've never bothered to check) and some non-Muslim says that there are not and we do not know our own book. it would make one look silly. besides, wrong information remains wrong regardless if it is minor or major.



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[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by .lava

you're right, it does not matter considering practices cos they do not depend on numbers. yet it is very likely one of us says there are 6667 or 6666 verses in Qur'an (for example i could have cos i've never bothered to check) and some non-Muslim says that there are not and we do not know our own book. it would make one look silly. besides, wrong information remains wrong regardless if it is minor or major..

Why would you be so concerned over whether someone thinks you look silly?
Is such vanity something Allah promotes?
Are you honestly so worried what non-Muslims think that you will argue amongst yourselves over how the verses are numbered?

Do the different translations verse out the Koran differently?
Meaning if translation 'A' has 6667 and translation 'B' has 6666 and translation 'C' has 6665, then would not all of you be right, depending upon which translation is being referred to?

Seems to me that if a non-Muslim thinks that quibbling over the way the Koran was numbered is a good enough argument to dismiss Islam, that you are pretty much wasting your time 'arguing' with them.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Why would you be so concerned over whether someone thinks you look silly?
Is such vanity something Allah promotes?
Are you honestly so worried what non-Muslims think that you will argue amongst yourselves over how the verses are numbered?

Do the different translations verse out the Koran differently?
Meaning if translation 'A' has 6667 and translation 'B' has 6666 and translation 'C' has 6665, then would not all of you be right, depending upon which translation is being referred to?

Seems to me that if a non-Muslim thinks that quibbling over the way the Koran was numbered is a good enough argument to dismiss Islam, that you are pretty much wasting your time 'arguing' with them.

oh no, i do not mind what people think about me. this concern is only when i talk about Islam. i am obligated to give right information. so even giving the right information would make some think i am silly but that does not matter.

there's nothing to argue about. nothing to discuss about number of verses really.

i do not think it is possible Qur'an comes out differently but i do not know for sure. that's why i wonder if there are any sources that claims there are 6666 verses in Qur'an. i do not know any but i've heard people say that.

no, of course a simple mistake would not make people dismiss Islam but people who already have dismissed Islam can take advantage of our ignorance. as i mentioned earlier, i've never checked how many verses are there in Qur'an and if someone asked me i'd have probably said 6667 cos that's what i've heard. this is my personal mistake. even though i do not care for numbers, it still is my bad. maybe this mistake is no important for people who does not accept Islam but i would feel sad for giving the wrong number. i am responsible for what i say.



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[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by .lava

no, of course a simple mistake would not make people dismiss Islam but people who already have dismissed Islam can take advantage of our ignorance.

How so?
More specifically, I am looking for an example because the way I see it, if they are going to nit pick over verse numbering then they are pretty much a lost cause from get go.

Originally Posted by .lava

as i mentioned earlier, i've never checked how many verses are there in Qur'an and if someone asked me i'd have probably said 6667 cos that's what i've heard. this is my personal mistake. even though i do not care for numbers, it still is my bad. maybe this mistake is no important for people who does not accept Islam but i would feel sad for giving the wrong number. i am responsible for what i say.

Ah.
I think I am understanding now.

Thank you for answering my questions.
I appreciate it.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

How so?
More specifically, I am looking for an example because the way I see it, if they are going to nit pick over verse numbering then they are pretty much a lost cause from get go.

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Ah.
I think I am understanding now.

Thank you for answering my questions.
I appreciate it.

your welcome Mestemia, i believe you understand me



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