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Old 03-22-2004, 11:42 AM
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Muslims believe in the One, Unique, Incomparable, Merciful God - the Sole Creator and Sustainer of the Universe; in the Angels created by Him; in the Prophets through whom His revelations were brought to humankind; in the Day of Judgment and in individual accountability for actions; in God's complete authority over destiny, be it good or bad; and in life after death.

Muslims believe that God sent His messengers and prophets to all people and God's final message to humanity, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing up of all that had gone before, was revealed to the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through the Archangel Gabriel.
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Old 04-11-2004, 12:24 PM
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If the message to humanity was so important, and it is assumed that this message was the most important message of all, why was it revealed to only one man?

It should have been revealed to all men, women and children everywhere like a diamond bullet through the forehead, that is if its importance is to be taken seriously.

We cannot merely rely on one mans interpretation of this message as it is surely not to be complete or accurate.
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If the message to humanity was so important, and it is assumed that this message was the most important message of all, why was it revealed to only one man?
Islam came to all mankind, this message was not only revealed to prophet Muhammad, it was revealed to all prophets before him.
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Old 04-13-2004, 11:31 AM
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You did not answer the question and I believe you missed the point entirely.

But first, what other prophets are you referring who were revealed the Islamic message?

And as I asked the question in the first place, why was such an important message only revealed to prophets? Why not everyone at once?

You must admit that such a message is far to important to be revealed to just one man, or as you say, to prophets.

Why should we believe any one man or group of men? It should be a simple matter for a god to reveal his message to all, don't you think?
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Old 04-14-2004, 02:51 AM
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You did not answer the question and I believe you missed the point entirely.

But first, what other prophets are you referring who were revealed the Islamic message?
All the prophets that came before the last one, prophet muhammad (pbuh ), they are Jesus, Moses, Issac, Ishmail, David, Solomon, Noah..etc

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And as I asked the question in the first place, why was such an important message only revealed to prophets? Why not everyone at once?
Very good point, the reason this important message was not reveale to normal people is because of our human weaknesses ( greed, lust for sex and power..etc ) these traits were taken away from prophets and that is why they were able to convery the message.

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You must admit that such a message is far to important to be revealed to just one man, or as you say, to prophets.
It is exactly the opposite, it is because this message is very important and trustworthy that was revealed to one prophet at a time.

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Why should we believe any one man or group of men? It should be a simple matter for a god to reveal his message to all, don't you think?
Another important point, why should we believe ANY MAN ?? we only believe those whom their lives witness their greatness, those who performed divine miracles( like prophet Jesus raising the dead and prophet muhammad splitting the moon ) and indeed changed the course of history.
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Old 04-14-2004, 11:32 AM
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the reason this important message was not reveale to normal people is because of our human weaknesses ( greed, lust for sex and power..etc ) these traits were taken away from prophets and that is why they were able to convery the message.
Who took these traits away? Are you saying that these small group of individuals were the only people on the entire planet devoid of human weaknesses?

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It is exactly the opposite, it is because this message is very important and trustworthy that was revealed to one prophet at a time.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If information is so important as to change the lives of every human being in the world, it most certainly would not be revealed to just one man in the hopes that he will accurately portray this message to all mankind. Allah would therefore not be as interested in revealing a message as he was interested in creating a prophet.

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like prophet Jesus raising the dead and prophet muhammad splitting the moon
Sorry, but Jesus did not raise the dead nor has the moon been split. And with that statement, you have dissolved any credibility you may have had.

BTW - have you personally witnessed diving miracles?
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Who took these traits away? Are you saying that these small group of individuals were the only people on the entire planet devoid of human weaknesses?[quote]

God ( Allah ) took these traits away and YES these small group of individuals were the only people on earth devoid of human weaknesses.

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That makes no sense whatsoever. If information is so important as to change the lives of every human being in the world, it most certainly would not be revealed to just one man in the hopes that he will accurately portray this message to all mankind. Allah would therefore not be as interested in revealing a message as he was interested in creating a prophet.
But the information was not revealed only to ONE man, we Muslims believe God sent thousands of prophet during human life on this earth.

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Sorry, but Jesus did not raise the dead nor has the moon been split. And with that statement, you have dissolved any credibility you may have had.
Were you there with them ?? I have PHYSICAL proof which shows the moon was split in two pieces ! how about that ?

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Yes, I had a car accident in which no one can survive from...I did.
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Old 04-14-2004, 02:21 PM
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I have PHYSICAL proof which shows the moon was split in two pieces ! how about that ?

Uh...Ok, lets see it.
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Sure, here we go:

LUNAR DATA SUPPORT IDEA THAT COLLISION SPLIT EARTH, MOON

Analysis of data from NASA's Lunar Prospector spacecraft has confirmed that the Moon has a small core, supporting the theory that the bulk of the Moon was ripped away from the early Earth when an object the size of Mars collided with the Earth.

Scientists presented this result and other findings today in a series of papers at the 30th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, TX. Their data show that the lunar core contains less than four percent of the Moon's total mass, with the probable value being two percent or slightly less. This is very small when compared with the Earth, whose iron core contains approximately 30 percent of the planet's mass.

"This is a critical finding in helping scientists determine how the Earth and Moon formed," said Dr. Alan Binder of the Lunar Research Institute, Tucson, AZ, principal investigator for Lunar Prospector.

Similarities in the mineral composition of the Earth and the Moon indicate that they share a common origin. However, if they had simply formed from the same cloud of rocks and dust, the Moon would have a core similar in proportion to the Earth's. A third theory suggests that the Moon was captured fully intact by the Earth's gravity.

Based on information first gathered during the Apollo era, scientists suggested that the Moon was formed when a Mars-sized body hit the Earth during its earliest history. "This impact occurred after the Earth's iron core had formed, ejecting rocky, iron-poor material from the outer shell into orbit," Binder explained. "It was this material that collected to form the Moon.

"Further analysis of Lunar Prospector data to refine the exact size of the lunar core and the amounts of elements like gold, platinum and iridium in lunar rocks -- all of which are concentrated with metallic iron -- is required," Binder added. "This will do much to pin down for good if the 'giant impact' model of the formation of the Moon is correct, or if the Moon formed in a different manner."

The current data come from gravity measurements conducted by Dr. Alex Konopliv of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA. His results indicate that the Moon's core radius is between 140 and 280 miles (220 and 450 kilometers). This result is consistent with independent magnetic data, evaluated by Dr. Lon Hood of the University of Arizona, Tucson, which suggest that the core radius is between 180 and 260 miles (300 and 425 km).

In other results from Lunar Prospector, Dr. Robert Lin of the University of California at Berkeley, Dr. Mario Acuna of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, and Hood also found that a broad section of the southern far-side of the Moon has large localized magnetic fields in its crust. These fields occur opposite the large Crisium, Serenitatis and Imbrium basins -- three of the "seas" that cover much of the Moon's near side. This result supports earlier evidence linking strong magnetized concentrations on one side of the Moon with young, large impact basins on the other side.

Results of efforts to map the composition of the lunar crust have surpassed the expectations of the spectrometer team, led by Dr. William Feldman of the Department of Energy's Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Data obtained are so good that the distribution of thorium has been mapped with a resolution of 36 miles (60 kilometers). At this amount of detail, scientists can detect individual deposits rich in thorium and related elements. Their current observations suggest that thorium was excavated by impacts of asteroids and comets, and then distributed around craters, rather than being deposited by volcanic activity.

Lunar Prospector conducted its primary mapping mission at an altitude of 63 miles (100 kilometers) for almost one year after its arrival in lunar orbit on Jan. 11, 1998. In December and January, the spacecraft's altitude was lowered to approximately 15 miles by 23 miles (24 kilometers by 37 kilometers). Analyses of data from the lower-altitude observations are expected to further improve scientific understanding of the origin, evolution and physical resources of the Moon.

The $63 million mission is managed by NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA, and was developed under NASA's Discovery Program of lower-cost, highly focused small scientific spacecraft.

Further information about Lunar Prospector, its science data return, and relevant charts and graphics can be found on the project website at:

http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov

I have historical proof as well.
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Sheild, I have read before about the possibility of the moon being split from the Earth by something hitting it millions of years ago. But how can you say the Prophet Muhammad did this, when it happened so long ago before there were even humans on the Earth? :?
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