How Stupid Would It Be To Bomb Iran? (America, Israel)

[standing_alone]

Originally Posted by Radio Frequency X

I'm not saying we should bomb them without proof. I'm saying, in the evidence of proof, bomb their military facilities, not their cities. Iran doesn't have all their facilities hidden in civilian areas like Iraq, so there is a much smaller chance of civilian casualties. I feel no animosity toward the Iranian people whatsoever, but their government is trying to take them all to war.

I tend to agree with this POV. While we certainly need to learn from our experience in Iraq, we also need to continue to assess the threat posed by Iran. I guess what I'm trying to say is we can't let our mess in Iraq make us turn a blind eye to either Iran itself or to potential courses of action against Iran if that country starts to pose an even bigger threat. However, thanks to our mess in Iraq, we would likely be sorely equipped to take any large action against Iran if the need be, nor, as our experience in Iraq indicates, would it likely be a good idea. Bombing military targets, should credible evidence suggest the urgency to do so, seems a reasonable course of action.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Comprehend ups the ante with KILLS THEM ALL (and let God sort them out?) No scripture to verify his position, but who cares? We're playing...

Get your self righteousness out and let's see who we can bomb next! Just be sure you don't end up as a heretic 'cause it would ruin your day! FWIW, I left my last church because they sound just like you!

once again you are forced to misrepresent my post and refuse to respond to my points.

Are you unable to respond to my argument? If you are able, how about you try?

Pete: Please try to answer this question: Would you let Hitler run free and never stop him? If your answer is that you would stop him. You are a hypocrite. If your answer is no, you are crazy.

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by Radio Frequency X

I'm not saying we should bomb them without proof. I'm saying, in the evidence of proof, bomb their military facilities, not their cities. Iran doesn't have all their facilities hidden in civilian areas like Iraq, so there is a much smaller chance of civilian casualties. I feel no animosity toward the Iranian people whatsoever, but their government is trying to take them all to war.

Ok, but even talking about bombing anything before we have anything more than circumstantial evidence is getting way ahead of the game. Why not wait until we have some sort of real idea, and proof of what's going on before we start even talking about bombing their military facilities?

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

No scripture to verify his position, but who cares?

I'm sorry peter, I assumed you were familiar with the bible....

Matt 13:49-50
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 21:40-41
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [his] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

2 Thes 2:8
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Gen 19:12-13
12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring [them] out of this place:
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Gen 38:7
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

Rev 16:1-7
1 AND I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous [are] thy judgments.

Rev 18:4-8
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

20 Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Rev 19:1-2
1 AND after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Rev 19:11-20
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Matt 3:10-12
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matt 13:30
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

[NoahideHiker]

The "Who would Jesus bomb?" thing is a bit of a misgnomer because everyone assumes Jesus was the ultimate non violent teacher who always turned the other cheek. If Jesus is so non violent why did he tell his disciples to go buy a sword to carry before they went out to preach? So they could defend themselves.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

Noone knows.
He isn't here to ask.

All you, or anyone else, can do is read through the Bible and then make guesses as to what Jesus would do.

Seems to me that this little fact makes your whole WWJB a wee bit asinine.

[Radio Frequency X]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Ok, but even talking about bombing anything before we have anything more than circumstantial evidence is getting way ahead of the game. Why not wait until we have some sort of real idea, and proof of what's going on before we start even talking about bombing their military facilities?

Because I think we need to be clear about our intentions, to Iran and the rest of the world. Such talk should remain conditional on clear proof of Iranian influence in Iraq, which can easily be considered an act of war against the United States. Then, simply state that while we do not want to harm the Iranian people, the Iranian government has forced our hand, and we will begin bombing military facilities.

I think having clear and honest intentions is important.