Has the US Made the World Less Secure? (beliefs, choice)

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Djamila

Arrogant, lying ********.

What lying are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Djamila

The war between Israel and Lebanon is another issue of contention. For the United States, after all its fiasco with Iraq, to supply Israel with cluster bombs and other potential WMDs was sickening. Thousands of men, women, and children were killed in Lebanon - the country was destroyed - over two kidnapped soldiers. Two kidnapped soldiers.

Both of these things, in the eyes of - it seems - most of the world, rest squarely on the shoulders of the Americans.

So I assume it's America's fault that the Hezbollah terrorists tactfully hid out in civilian-populated locations. If they were so inculpable why didn't they fight like brave men and quit using innocent Lebanese as shields.

Terrorists caused the destruction of Lebanese people and cities, not America. I simply don't understand why people continue to turn a blind eye to the real problem -- terrorists -- and point fingers at the US.

[Djamila]

Originally Posted by Polaris

What lying are you referring to?

Hahaha... exactly.

[opensoul7]

Terrorists caused the destruction of Lebanese people and cities, not America. I simply don't understand why people continue to turn a blind eye to the real problem -- terrorists -- and point fingers at the US.

My Answer

We have never been focused on stoping terrorists , and have done more by starting a illegitimate war to incite terrorism worlwide, than to stop it.

It is hard for others to believe us when our actions have been so wrong. The war in Iraq has never had anything to do with stopping terrorism , or stopping al-queida. That was known before the war in Iraq even started , there never has ,is ,or was a connection between Sadam and Osama.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Djamila

Hahaha... exactly.

So you can prove that Bush lied about Iraq possessing WMD's?

Yeah, maybe you're right. He somehow convinced the intelligence agencies to provide him with the necessary (albeit faulty) information so he could spitefully invade Iraq. And in doing so he was also able to convince leaders from the Democratic party as well as other major world leaders that his decision was valid and justified and was even able to garner their support. Maybe he isn't so dumb after all.

[opensoul7]

So you can prove that Bush lied about Iraq possessing WMD's?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/23/cia.iraq/index.html

[FatMan]

Originally Posted by Djamila

No it's not. There have been more in Iraq this month than across the entire world prior to the war.

You cannot equate "terrorist acts" during a war to making the World less safe. Along that logic, Bush has done a fantastic job in eliminating terrorist acts in Vietnam.

We are specifically talking about if the whole world is less safe now, and I'd say no.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by opensoul7

The war in Iraq has never had anything to do with stopping terrorism , or stopping as-queida. That was known before the war in Iraq even started , there never has ,is ,or was a connection between Sadam and Osama.

The problem is that you can't prove any of that. We simply don't have access to all the information that has been presented to the president and we can't get in his head to know his true intentions. There is definitely evidence of al-queda networks in Iraq and I have a hard time believing that Saddam was oblivious or indifferent to that.

Bush definitely is not perfect and he's clearly made mistakes in this war, but at the time we entered into the war president Bush had strong bipartisan support as well as the support of certain major world leaders. I believe that he believed that Saddam possessed WMDs and that they were in the process of attempting to develop even more capabilities in that area. Saddam may not have ever had nuclear capabilities but you'd be naive to think that he didn't want them and wasn't attempting to get them. Saddam had repeatedly ignored UN resolutions against his WMD development operations. At some point something had to be done. Or do you suggest that we should have waited until he actually had active and functional nuclear weapons? That's a risk I don't think Bush wanted to take and rightfully so.

[NoahideHiker]

I'm interested in making America more secure. I think we have made strides towards this goal but much more needs to be done. Like locking down our borders. I would have much rather seen all the money spent on Iraq spent on our borders than to take out Hussain.

[opensoul7]

Would not a unjust war initself be cosidered a act of terrorism ?
ter·ror·ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

You cannot equate "terrorist acts" during a war to making the World less safe.

Yes you can.

We are specifically talking about if the whole world is less safe now, and I'd say no.

I would say yes
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the..._patterns.html