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Old 02-05-2009, 05:38 AM
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Until you see the man in the monster, you'll miss the next monster who comes along.
Pray tell, what do you base this nugget of genius on? Can you cite any examples?
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Ignorance was some of the problem that helped Hitler with his vendeta, lets learn from that and not be ignorant ourselves.
It is fairly easy to identify who here has not learned the requisite lessons and prefers, instead, to pretentiously wallow in shallow inanities about Hitler being a human being ...
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It is fairly easy to identify who here has not learned the requisite lessons and prefers, instead, to pretentiously wallow in shallow inanities about Hitler being a human being ...
You are still not saying anything besides your sidestory..
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Pray tell, what do you base this nugget of genius on? Can you cite any examples?
Killers of the 20th Century

Adolf Hitler – 46 million
Joseph Stalin – 20 million
Mao Zedong – 20 million
Kim Il-sung – 3 million
Saddam Hussein – 2 million
Idi Amin – 300,000

We vilify Hitler due to his high body count. But are not the rest of these men monsters as well? Are they not loved and cherished by those who are close to them? Are not some, even today, held up as heroes?
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:34 AM
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Much unlike he was, then. He was a good leader, it's just a shame he was so arrogant (and inappropriately so, I do believe his eyes were BROWN, hypocritical man). Were he more interested in winning WW2 than making himself look good, he'd have beaten the British at Dunkirk and then most likely invaded Britain. Silly man, he must have been good at strategy games though.
Not really as he lost the Battle of Britain
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Killers of the 20th Century

Adolf Hitler – 46 million
Joseph Stalin – 20 million
Mao Zedong – 20 million
Kim Il-sung – 3 million
Saddam Hussein – 2 million
Idi Amin – 300,000

We vilify Hitler due to his high body count. But are not the rest of these men monsters as well? Are they not loved and cherished by those who are close to them? Are not some, even today, held up as heroes?
Trey, it is simply an irrelevant point. THAT is the point. I'm quite sure they all loved their teddy bears too. So what?
And no... I do not see any of them as heroes and don't give a flying fig about who thinks they might be.
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At issue is the reprehensible and sophomoric whitewashing of the monster in the man.
How is recognising the fact that people who were near Hitler during his life considered him a charming and curteous person whitewashing anything? As for the term sophomoric, well, that certianly describes your antics.

I will say I disagree with saying Hitler was a decent enough person. Decent is a very poor choice of words to use but I understand the point that Random was making. He wasn't saying Hitler was decent, only that those who knew him may have thought so.
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Trey, it is simply an irrelevant point. THAT is the point. I'm quite sure they all loved their teddy bears too. So what? And no... I do not see any of them as heroes and don't give a flying fig who thinks they might be.
Sorry, you'll have to explain your question then. All I'm saying is that to understand someone like Hitler you have to see the entire person and not just all the bad parts. Understanding the entire person can give you insights into how others like him might act. I thought all that was pretty obvious, maybe not.
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Sorry, you'll have to explain your question then. All I'm saying is that to understand someone like Hitler you have to see the entire person and not just all the bad parts. Understanding the entire person can give you insights into how others like him might act. I thought all that was pretty obvious, maybe not.
Forgive me Trey, but what precisely IS there to understand that is such a great mystery? OBVIOUSLY these people are well regarded by their family and friends. It is so obvious that it doesn't really need to be mentioned, in my view. What do you expect? That they have two heads and drink babies blood for breakfast?
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I will say I disagree with saying Hitler was a decent enough person. Decent is a very poor choice of words to use but I understand the point that Random was making. He wasn't saying Hitler was decent, only that those who knew him may have thought so.
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Rosa married in 1939 and had three daughters. She later remarried. A great-grandmother, she now lives in Munich. After the war she had to confront the reality of the man for whom she had worked so willingly. And in particular the reality of the Holocaust.

'That he had ordered such terrible things, I just couldn't believe it,' she said. 'Even now, I prefer to remember the charming facets of his personality.'
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