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Old 07-27-2006, 10:33 AM
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For the most part, I mean the old, old traditional marriage. The sort of marriages that were common through most of European, and indeed, most of world, history. That is, marriages that were arranged to secure property, heirs, and political or social alliances, and that were usually loveless. What destroyed those? Why aren't those kinds of marriages still the norm in the West?

Was it the rise of prosperity brought about by the industrial revolution and capitalism that began in Britain around 1725? Was it the notion of romantic love invented by the Arabs and then brought to Europe through Spain beginning around 1200? Was it the rank individualism of American pioneers as they moved West, which was then exported back to Europe? Or, was it something else?
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Old 07-27-2006, 10:37 AM
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Capitalism and civil rights.

There's no way to argue against that simple argument. People are able to divorce/ create any complicated living situation that they like and are able to, at least in theory, make a good living no matter what their familiy situation is.
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Old 07-27-2006, 10:39 AM
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That is, marriages that were arranged to secure property, heirs, and political or social alliances, and that were usually loveless. What destroyed those? Why aren't those kinds of marriages still the norm in the West?
Well if you take out the arranged part, there are still plenty of marriages that could be described that way... "the notion of romantic love" hasn't been completely victorious yet.
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Old 07-27-2006, 10:44 AM
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My question is, did Adam and Eve ever actually get married, or were their children born out of wedlock?
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Old 07-27-2006, 10:48 AM
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For the most part, I mean the old, old traditional marriage. The sort of marriages that were common through most of European, and indeed, most of world, history. That is, marriages that were arranged to secure property, heirs, and political or social alliances, and that were usually loveless. What destroyed those? Why aren't those kinds of marriages still the norm in the West?

Was it the rise of prosperity brought about by the industrial revolution and capitalism that began in Britain around 1725? Was it the notion of romantic love invented by the Arabs and then brought to Europe through Spain beginning around 1200? Was it the rank individualism of American pioneers as they moved West, which was then exported back to Europe? Or, was it something else?
I heard it was the Pagans' open sexuality, mixed in with Furries that was bringer downer of those sorts of marriages

(sorry, I'm in a goofy mood this morning..afternoon..).
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My question is, did Adam and Eve ever actually get married, or were their children born out of wedlock?
Wow! Sorry, folks....it seemed like every time I hit the space bar, the system posted the message! I've never seen that one before!
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Old 07-27-2006, 11:13 AM
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For the most part, I mean the old, old traditional marriage. The sort of marriages that were common through most of European, and indeed, most of world, history. That is, marriages that were arranged to secure property, heirs, and political or social alliances, and that were usually loveless. What destroyed those? Why aren't those kinds of marriages still the norm in the West?

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The re-definition of Love did it. We have all seen and talk to older folks who's idea of a marriage/relationship/sex talks are as odd to us as it is to them looking at a tribal marriage that consist of trading of 5 pigs, a net, and somekind of ornament.

I personally don't like the definition that is lurking it's way to the surface now and didn't like the view I had of the old either. To me, both are extremes on the spectrum of peoples perception of Love.

But then again, I've only been married for 4 years .
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That happened to me once, I finally realized I had several Reply to Thread windows open...
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