Historically, how did Muslims interact with Hindus?

[sentry]

Originally Posted by Mahatma Gandhi

Then why single out Muslims?

Originally Posted by A-ManESL

This only proves that if someone does something bad you think it is due to Islam.

On what basis do you assume that the rulers were following true Islam? Why should I not assume on the same basis (which by the way I dont) that the Hindu fanatics who raped pregnant women and tore open their wombs in Gujarat were following true Hinduism?

no, if someone robbed a bank, and he happened to be a muslim, I would not label the entire muslim population as thieves

but if islam churns out , since it's birth, continously to the present day, a large portion of it's people who despise other religions, then I come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with islam

on "what basis" you ask?
on the basis of history, the evidence is everywhere

all muslim invaders had a religious agenda i.e. to spread islam , they destroyed temples and built mosques, butchered all nonmslims if they did not convert to islam. Is this just a bizarre coincidence?
Hindu kings too must have been deeply influenced by religion, but hinduism accepts other religions as legitimate paths to god, whereas islam does not, therefore hindu kings did not treat muslim noncombatants, women, religious structures, etc. int he same manner that muslim kings did to hindus.

also look what happened to kashmir, muslims have chased off everyone else from there. Why did this happen, what is wrong with those muslims?

let's face it, everybody recieves and follows instruction from religious sources, and hindus do not recieve instructions to spread hinduism and butcher nonhindus, but do muslims recieve instructions to spread islam and kill nonmuslims? if not, what is the reason why islam has churned out contionously since it's birth a large portion of it's people who despise other religions (and history proves this)?

I'm sure hindus too prefer to live amongst hindus, just as muslims prefer to live amongst muslims, but hindus do not take to violence so quickly or as frequently, towards other religions, the way muslims do (it's as if muslims recieve instructions to take to violence from religion, do they?), because in hinduism, all paths to god are legitimate. So hindus whether grudgingly or not, get along, but muslims are unwilling.

so looking at history why are muslims uniquely more intolerant towards other religions and therefore more violent towards them, than hindus (also keeping in mind that hinduism is more older than islam)?

[A-ManESL]

Originally Posted by sentry

no, if someone robbed a bank, and he happened to be a muslim, I would not label the entire muslim population as thieves

but if islam churns out , since it's birth, continously to the present day, a large portion of it's people who despise other religions, then I come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with islam

on "what basis" you ask?
on the basis of history, the evidence is everywhere

all muslim invaders had a religious agenda i.e. to spread islam , they destroyed temples and built mosques, butchered all nonmslims if they did not convert to islam. Is this just a bizarre coincidence?

I reject most of what you say as blatantly untrue. No one has any statistics to make claims of the type "islam churns out , since it's birth, continously to the present day, a large portion of it's people who despise other religions". Similarly other statements like "all muslim invaders had a religious agenda i.e. to spread islam , they destroyed temples and built mosques, butchered all nonmslims if they did not convert to islam. " are pure nonsense.

Hindu kings too must have been deeply influenced by religion, but hinduism accepts other religions as legitimate paths to god, whereas islam does not, therefore hindu kings did not treat muslim noncombatants, women, religious structures, etc. int he same manner that muslim kings did to hindus.

Who told you that Islam does not accept other religions as legitimate. Your knowledge of Islam seems to have come from anti-Muslim sites.

Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians and Sabeans,[in fact] anyone who believes in God and the Last Day, and acts honorably will receive their earnings from their Lord: no fear will lie upon them nor need they feel saddened.-Quran 2:62

[But] they are not all alike: among the followers of earlier revelation there are upright people, who recite God's messages throughout the night, and prostrate themselves [before Him]. They believe in God and the Last Day, and enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and vie with one another in doing good works: and these are among the righteous.-Quran 3:113-114

Please learn a little about Islam from good sources. You may find the views of Abul Kalam Azad interesting, particulary because he is one of the few recent notable Indian Muslims.

Regards

[sentry]

not through statistics.
If muslims are living peacefully somewhere, nobody takes note, and we can assume that they are peaceful
but if muslims display a distinctive trend, a trend displaying intolerance towards hinduism and other religions, how and why should we ignore it?

in other words, muslims themselves have made it well known via their actions, that they despise hinduism
what actions?
all muslim invaders indulged in forceful conversions to islam, the destruction of hindu temples
according to you this is "pure nonsense"
but these are historical facts documented by historians from all over the world, even the private records which belonged to the private record keepers of some muslims invaders, while they accompanied their leaders to india, describe the destruction of temples, and the mass murder of hindu noncombatants
if according to you historical evidence is "pure nonsense", why are you participating in a thread entitled "Historically, how did Muslims interact with Hindus"

looking at the history of islam, we know that there is a continous trend of violence towards nonmuslims, and this burning desire to spread islam
this trend is most distinctive and this is the reason why you choose to consider history or historical facts as "pure nonsense" because you can't come to terms with islam's history
....you are in a state of denial - "I don't know who it was who invaded india, destroyed temples, built mosques, converted by force the masses to islam, it just wasn't muslims"

there is a section of muslims consisting of people like yourself, who are peaceful and who are willing to co-exist, but there is also a section of muslims who desire to spread islam using force if necessary
so giving me a link to an islamic website will not help, since I am not a muslim. instead you're better off trying to reform your fellow muslims who are intolerant.

you've got problems in your religion (and have always had), some peaceful some not, but the core issue is still your religion
so one way or the other, islam is responsible for the damage caused (and still continous to cause) to hindus/hinduism and other religions
so you cannot just shirk off this responsibilty and say "it wasn't muslims"
it was indeed "the islamic invasion of india"
and between the peaceful muslim and the violent one, who is the representative of true islam, is debatable, and cannot be known. Therefore the core issue is still your religion, and your religion is to be blamed for the damage which came about with the "islamic" invasion of india

[Mahatma Gandhi]

Originally Posted by sentry

there is a section of muslims consisting of people like yourself, who are peaceful and who are willing to co-exist, but there is also a section of muslims who desire to spread islam using force if necessary
so giving me a link to an islamic website will not help, since I am not a muslim.

Isn't this true of all people, countries, religions? What do you think the USA is doing? What do you think all empires in the past have done?

[kai]

Originally Posted by Mahatma Gandhi

Isn't this true of all people, countries, religions? What do you think the USA is doing? What do you think all empires in the past have done?

Yes! and that's the whole point! the Imperial history of Islam isn't all that different from anyone else's.

[Mahatma Gandhi]

Originally Posted by kai

Yes! and that's the whole point! the Imperial history of Islam isn't all that different from anyone else's.

Then why attack religion or its followers when the fault was clearly that of the ruling class?

[kai]

Originally Posted by Mahatma Gandhi

Then why attack religion or its followers when the fault was clearly that of the ruling class?

I am not attacking Islam , In all fairness one can only attack the perceived Islam of the people concerned as we have heard it couldn't possibly be "true Islam" therefore i am in no way attacking "true Islam"

Further more unless you think the behavior of the Islamic invaders was indicative of "true Islam" your point is moot.

[A-ManESL]

Originally Posted by sentry

not through statistics.

looking at the history of islam, we know that there is a continous trend of violence towards nonmuslims, and this burning desire to spread islam
this trend is most distinctive and this is the reason why you choose to consider history or historical facts as "pure nonsense" because you can't come to terms with islam's history
....you are in a state of denial - "I don't know who it was who invaded india, destroyed temples, built mosques, converted by force the masses to islam, it just wasn't muslims"

Who is this we? Does this include every non-Muslim. Or does it include anti-Muslims? On what basis you are talking about all of them anyway.

What I called pure nonsense are your claims about Muslims conquering other regions and always butchering those who refused to convert. I repeat that is pure nonsense.

so giving me a link to an islamic website will not help, since I am not a muslim. instead you're better off trying to reform your fellow muslims who are intolerant.

Knowledge always helps, and I consider everyone (Hindu-Muslim) the same.

you've got problems in your religion (and have always had), some peaceful some not, but the core issue is still your religion

What do you even know of my religion? How do you know my religion doesnt include Hinduism anyway? And your own POV doesnt become true by you repeating it again and again. If you say you havent studied Islam you are not qualified to talk about it. If you say you have studied Islam I will disagree and say that your knowledge of Islam is wrong.

[Wannabe Yogi]

Originally Posted by kai

Yes! and that's the whole point! the Imperial history of Islam isn't all that different from anyone else's.

I agree

[Wannabe Yogi]

Originally Posted by sentry

but if muslims display a distinctive trend, a trend displaying intolerance towards hinduism and other religions, how and why should we ignore it?an't come to terms with islam's history

What do you thing about Muslim Sufi's ?