BAPS and Sri Swaminarayan Sampraday (ritual, rejecting, Earth, incarnation)

[mahesh]

There are also some other philosophical differences. Such as the way hwow all Avtaars shoudl be viewed and much more.

Truth is that the scriptures are not wrong. thsoe that have been doctored are wrong and the one who has seen both of them can clearly tell as they can see teh original hand written ones even today.

By the ATMAN- above in Gujarati is from a scripture which clearly indicates that Swaminarayan Bhagwan told Muktanand Swami who was a major saint of teh Sampraday that Sadguru Gopalanand Swami is Mool Akshardham incarnate together with many other incidents which prove this fact. that even Sadguru Gunatitanand Swami recognised this.

[Don Penguinoini]

mahesh, no-one should tell him right and wrong, let him (her?) work that out for himself. Its bias and gives an unfair point of view to him.

[satsand deshi]

we see that both sides have given him-her info.
BAPS ON THE OTHER HAND IS VERY philoshpical.
It has a lot od deaper studies etc into the scriptures.
We believe that what Maharaj has said mentioned in any scripture isnt just black and whit but has deeper meaning to it!

[satsand deshi]

That ãtmã is neither a Brãhmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a Kanbi. It is no one’s son and no one’s father. It belongs to no caste and to no class. It is radiant like the sun and fire; but it is also full of consciousness. The flames of fire and the rays of the sun are jad because they do not move when touched by the finger. However, when an ant is touched by a finger, it moves and turns back. This implies that the ãtmã is full of consciousness. It is said to be similar to the sun or to fire, but that is merely because its form is similar in radiance.“
“The ãtmã has passed through countless life forms. In fact, it is said that a person has drunk as much milk from his mothers as there is water in the ocean. In those lives, the ãtmã has experienced death in countless ways, yet it has not perished. It has remained as it is. So, if it did not perish in that state of ignorance when it regarded itself as the body, how shall it perish now that we have its gnãn? Thus, we should realise that ãtmã as our true self.

[satsand deshi]

That was a example of this
Here are some more:

[satsand deshi]

By the ATMAN- above in Gujarati is from a scripture which clearly indicates that Swaminarayan Bhagwan told Muktanand Swami who was a major saint of teh Sampraday that Sadguru Gopalanand Swami is Mool Akshardham incarnate together with many other incidents which prove this fact. that even Sadguru Gunatitanand Swami recognised this.

Proof would be good

[satsand deshi]

Originally Posted by mahesh

Much has been gone online about how bogus break away cukts are. there is so much evidence out there. What more can i say. those who want to attain Gods Home and please Him should read orthodox scriptures. There is no other way, And BAPS is devoid of thewords of God. Its clearly seen.

Tomorrow i can go round making up my own sanstha and do so much to get people following me. But i do not wish to as i know God will only be pleased in wwhat he has written for me to do as a human being.

By the way God would never leave the Murtis of Vadtal. As why would he conmtradict Himself ? He clearly stated he would live iin the murtis he has consecrated till teh sum and moon shine.

You are stating blasphemously about Shriji Mahraj. How can you even think such? i is this what yoru gurus teach you?

This is bad. You stoop low. Celina is this what your co-satsang ipeople think?
The sikshapatri clearly states the role of teh Acharyas as do otehr scriptures. But i think BAPS do not want to read what God and His direct disciples wrote. They feel that their current guru is bhagwan. And they should do as he states. As teh scriptures clearly state whats required of us, We shouldnt have any problems in following as God wants it.

Nor was shastriji Mahraj poisoned. LOl. he was excommunicated as he ws going against the wished of God. if he was being treated badly then why didnt he just go to the Amdavad desh? As he knew no one would accept such a way or worship as its not only devoid of Swaminarayan bhagwan but also devoid of teh Vedas.

All is clearly written in hand wriitten scriptures as they exist today as welll. BAPS leaders know that they are in the wrong but its too late to change their ways. Clearly they will have to answer to God.

Shri Narayan Bhagwan (1)
Shri Maha Laxmi (2)
Acharya Shri Vishvaksen Swami(3)
Acharya Shri Namalvar Swami(4)
Acharya Shri Nathamuni Swami(5)
Acharya Shri Padmanetra Swami(6)
Acharya Shri Ramamishra Swami(7)
Acharya Shri Yamunacharya Swami(8)
Acharya Shri Mahapurna Swami(9)
Acharya Shri Ramanujacharya Swami(10)
Acharya Shri Ramanand Swami (11)
Bhagwan Swaminarayan (12)

Split into two regions-South India (Vadtal Laksminarayan Desh) and North India (Amdavad Nar Narayan Desh)

Amdavad Desh:
(13) Acharya Shri Ayodhyaprasadji
(14) Acharya Shri Keshavprasadji
(15) Acharya Shri Purshottamprasadji
(16) Acharya Shri Vasudevprasadji
(17) Acharya Shri Devendraprasadji
(18) Acharya Shri Tejendraprasadji
(19) Acharya Shri koshalendra prasadji (current)

Vadtal Desh:
(13) Acharya Shri Raghuvirji
(14) Acharya Shri Bhagvatprasadji
(15) Acharya Shri Viharilalji
(16) Acharya Shri Laxmiprasadji
(17) Acharya Shri Shripatiprasadji
(18) Acharya Shri Anandprasadji
(19) Acharya Shri Narendraprasadji
(20) Acharya Shri Ajendraprasadji
(21)Acharya Shri Rakesh Prashadi (current)

YOU ARE CLEARLY BRAIN WASHED.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by satsand deshi

we see that both sides have given him-her info.
BAPS ON THE OTHER HAND IS VERY philoshpical.
It has a lot od deaper studies etc into the scriptures.
We believe that what Maharaj has said mentioned in any scripture isnt just black and whit but has deeper meaning to it!

All has deeper meaning. These can be seen in teh rest of teh scriptures. But teh original Sampraday has the original text. BAPS ahve even changed teh original teachinsg and the Arti according to how they feel is right. But they fall very different to the original teachings of the swaminarayan sampraday who on the otehr hand have not changed a scripture, kirtan or even a Shlok.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by satsand deshi

That ãtmã is neither a Brãhmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a Kanbi. It is no one’s son and no one’s father. It belongs to no caste and to no class. It is radiant like the sun and fire; but it is also full of consciousness. The flames of fire and the rays of the sun are jad because they do not move when touched by the finger. However, when an ant is touched by a finger, it moves and turns back. This implies that the ãtmã is full of consciousness. It is said to be similar to the sun or to fire, but that is merely because its form is similar in radiance.“
“The ãtmã has passed through countless life forms. In fact, it is said that a person has drunk as much milk from his mothers as there is water in the ocean. In those lives, the ãtmã has experienced death in countless ways, yet it has not perished. It has remained as it is. So, if it did not perish in that state of ignorance when it regarded itself as the body, how shall it perish now that we have its gnãn? Thus, we should realise that ãtmã as our true self.

Yes, this from the Vachnamrut Gadhpur pratham.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by satsand deshi

By the ATMAN- above in Gujarati is from a scripture which clearly indicates that Swaminarayan Bhagwan told Muktanand Swami who was a major saint of teh Sampraday that Sadguru Gopalanand Swami is Mool Akshardham incarnate together with many other incidents which prove this fact. that even Sadguru Gunatitanand Swami recognised this.

Proof would be good

As what i have put above is from a actual scripture. Read for yourself.