BAPS and Sri Swaminarayan Sampraday (ritual, rejecting, Earth, incarnation)

[Atman]

Namaste all.

First and foremost as I have told you over MSN, your translation does seem a bit more reliable there then mine, but you have said

There may arise the opinion that Lord Krishna is partial to those who take refuge in Him and disregards those who are more partial to fulfilling their desires with sense objects. To clarify this false assumption the Supreme Lord stated this verse confirming that by whatever mode or method a person worships Him, direct or indirect, full of desires or free from desires He rewards them proportionately. It should not be falsely speculated that the Supreme Lord Krishna ignores those who due to ignorance neglect Him and instead offer others worship in various religions and denominations. It is impossible for Lord Krishna to ignore or exclude anyone because all living beings are factually following His path in every respect. Thus He is worshipped directly by those who are knowledgeable and indirectly by those who are unknowledgeable and correspondingly to their worship He reciprocates to each.

Wasn't that the exact point I and Penguino were trying to make?

bY THE WAY atMAN IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO STATE WHAT IS OR ISNT A HINDU.

When did I ever say I had the ability to, or even tried to do such? That was Penguino who is claiming you're not Hindu.

in hinduism god himself said that those who believe god is formless will go to hell. read vachnamrut.

Correction. In Swaminarayan Hinduism such is stated.And even then, though I'm certainly no scholar of the Vachnamrut or Shikshapatri, I don't recall Swamiji saying anything about those who commited this so-called sin going to Naraka for it.

[patl101]

you dont 'recall' hearing this. instead, go and read it yourself for proof. go and read the original vachnamrut and see for yourself how big a sin it is to see bhagwan as formless. you dont need to be a scholar but if you understand either english, sanskrit or gujarati- just read it.

[Don Penguinoini]

I wonder, what do you consider to be your authority, the Vachnamrut, or the Gita?

And yes, it was me patl, not Atman. So don't blame him.

[patl101]

both- as they both say the same thing

[Don Penguinoini]

Please don't blame Atman, he did not actually say anything about that, at all.

[michaelm]

'vachnamrut' - I have not heard of this scripture. Is it part of the Vedas? Upanishads?

[Don Penguinoini]

This is a swaminarayan scripture.

Patl can tell you more, he has read it couple of times, it seems.

[michaelm]

I would like to know its origin. Is it part of the Vedas, Upanishads?

Do we know who wrote it and when?

[Don Penguinoini]

It was compiled by the paramhansas of Swaminarayan Bhagwan Or more like edited. The links i have provided wl give a lot more information. They are not part of any hindu scriptures, they have roots in the vedas but they are scriptures by themselves.


Vachanamrut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[harikrishna]

Yes this is teh Vachnamrut. The meaning is in Wikipedia.
Both the Gita and Vachnamrut do not show different paths.
Only Purshottam Bhagwan supreme reality and any of His incarnations shoudl be worshipped in the methods shown in the Purans to attain Moksh.
The Gita also shows clearly this. Shri krishna tells Arjun this. For example in 9.23. 7.22-26 etc.