BAPS and Sri Swaminarayan Sampraday (ritual, rejecting, Earth, incarnation)

[patl101]

Originally Posted by penguino

I dont think i know better then god. Read the Hinduism overview by Rex. Read the bit about Ramunaj!!!

WOAH!!! are you being serious, or are you just joking.lol. you want me to disregard what god himself said from his own mouth and be persuaded by someone called ''rex''. lol.

one other thing- i wrote a long post and also gave examples of why it becomes obvious you think you know better thang god. im not going to repeat myself. in my posts i try to explain as fully as i can to avoid one sentence answers. i wrote all that and all you can say is that you dont think you know more than god- prove it by giving us an explanation. what we cant understand is why you disregard god orders and method of living your life and follow your own- do you know better than god? next time i suggest you actually take your time and read the post and try to answer it by proof and explanation and not just one sentence statements.

[Don Penguinoini]

I suggest you stop trying to convert me!!!!!!!!!!

[patl101]

there you go again with your assumpitions and habit of not even having the courtesy of answering the questions asked. who said i was trying to convert you? just answer the questions i have asked.

[patl101]

read my previous posts and then justify- not just be childish

[Atman]

Namaste all, I think this thread would do better if it were moved to the same faith debate forum.

[Atman]

Well if you think so then Good luck to you. But being a brahmin i also tend to read the Vedas, Purans and upanishads as well as teh scriptures of the Istadev (Main worshipable form of god) i follow . But i have not come accross a Shloka which you state above. So please could you tell me where i can find this?

Bhagavad Gita 4:11

11. O Partha! Whosoever worship Me through whatsoever path, I verily accept and bless them in that way. Men everywhere follow My path.

[Don Penguinoini]

This is a core fundamental hindu belief. IF you deny this then you are not hindu.

Thank you for the quote atman.

[harikrishna]

Well Atman you should read the correct version of the scripture. Bhagvad Gita 4.11 states:

yeyathāmāḿprapadyante
tāḿs tathaiva bhajāmy aham
mama vartmānuvartante
manuṣyāḥpārthasarvaśaḥ

Which translates:

As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.

Everyone is searching for Kṛṣṇa in the different aspects of His manifestations. Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is partially realized in His impersonal brahmajyoti effulgence and as the all-pervading Supersoul dwelling within everything, including the particles of atoms. But Kṛṣṇa is fully realized only by His pure devotees. Consequently, Kṛṣṇa is the object of everyone's realization, and thus anyone and everyone is satisfied according to one's desire to have Him. In the transcendental world also, Kṛṣṇa reciprocates with His pure devotees in the transcendental attitude, just as the devotee wants Him. One devotee may want Kṛṣṇa as supreme master, another as his personal friend, another as his son, and still another as his lover. Kṛṣṇa rewards all the devotees equally, according to their different intensities of love for Him. In the material world, the same reciprocations of feelings are there, and they are equally exchanged by the Lord with the different types of worshipers. The pure devotees both here and in the transcendental abode associate with Him in person and are able to render personal service to the Lord and thus derive transcendental bliss in His loving service. As for those who are impersonalists and who want to commit spiritual suicide by annihilating the individual existence of the living entity, Kṛṣṇa helps also by absorbing them into His effulgence. Such impersonalists do not agree to accept the eternal, blissful Personality of Godhead; consequently they cannot relish the bliss of transcendental personal service to the Lord, having extinguished their individuality. Some of them, who are not firmly situated even in the impersonal existence, return to this material field to exhibit their dormant desires for activities. They are not admitted into the spiritual planets, but they are again given a chance to act on the material planets. For those who are fruitive workers, the Lord awards the desired results of their prescribed duties, as the yajñeśvara; and those who are yogīs seeking mystic powers are awarded such powers. In other words, everyone is dependent for success upon His mercy alone, and all kinds of spiritual processes are but different degrees of success on the same path. Unless, therefore, one comes to the highest perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all attempts remain imperfect, as is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (2.3.10):
akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā
mokṣa-kāma udāra-dhīḥ
tīvreṇa bhakti-yogena
yajeta puruṣaḿ param
"Whether one is without desire [the condition of the devotees], or is desirous of all fruitive results, or is after liberation, one should with all efforts try to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead for complete perfection, culminating in Kṛṣṇa consciousness."


SO BOTH OF YOU ARE WRONG. bY THE WAY atMAN IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO STATE WHAT IS OR ISNT A HINDU.

[Don Penguinoini]

Your are nothing less then a joke.

He read the correct version. He posted a correct translation, he is right and you are wrong.

[harikrishna]

Nope you are being ignorant. Here are two references for the likes of you:

Bhagavad-Gita: Chapter 4, Verse 11

here is another:

Bhagavad-gita As It Is Chapter 4 Verse 11

So you are telling me both are wrong? That lla the swaminarayan followers, ISKON and Gaudiya math are wrong to follow the Gita in this way.

ONLY YOU ARE RIGHT?

Get a grip mate. We can clearly see who is less than a joke here.