BAPS and Sri Swaminarayan Sampraday (ritual, rejecting, Earth, incarnation)

[harikrishna]

Number count for Akshardham my mate. 5 million sheeps that will attain Akshardham woohoo! By the way you shouldnt get angry or take Avgun of such 5million true followers. Thats just the followers. I havent even told you about the amount of saints, Sankhyogi ladies, Palas, brahmcharis etc yet.

I dont have a problem with BAPs. They are cool. I like to read about them in the papers. Good entertainment for me. I love them. Just dont agree with them just like God doesnt, Swaminarayan Bhagwan taught love all. Even your enemies. BTW BAPS are not my enemies. HAHA

[Don Penguinoini]

God doesent disagree. You are not a spokesperson for god. A central belief in hinduism is that all religions and paths lead to god. This is in the vedas.

[harikrishna]

Well if you think so then Good luck to you. But being a brahmin i also tend to read the Vedas, Purans and upanishads as well as teh scriptures of the Istadev (Main worshipable form of god) i follow . But i have not come accross a Shloka which you state above. So please could you tell me where i can find this?

No im not a spokesperson for God... You are right.... But i do follow his word. Hence there is nothing wrong in stating what He wants His followers to follow. Would you not agree, oh wise young man?

[patl101]

this penguino thinks he is god, he makes up his therioes at the top of his head and believes thats the ultimate truth. he doesnt know his place. we are followers and see ourselves at the feet of god thats we we follow his teachings and not our human and environtmentally influenced minds. penguino believes believes you can do what you want- and completely disregards gods orders. you say that all religions lead to god- why not be muslim then, because you are obviosly not following hinduism. you talk all the time about loving god, how can you love him if you know about his word and decide purposely not to follow it becasue you think you are right. you are obviously an egoist, who thinks he knows everything and chooses his own made up way of worship. i know you are young, therefore you should be asking for advice and learning from people more knowledgabe than you, and if you dont trust them atleast find out what god told us to to and follow that but most things you say are rediculuos. and as for insulting bhakts of the oss or any other- you should keep in mind that this is a very big sin, worser than killing cows, adultary etc, because it cannot be redeemed, - god said himself in vachnamrut(find out for yourself), therefore if you care about your safety you should stop insulting bhakts of orignal swaminarayan sampraday.

[patl101]

Originally Posted by penguino

Ill say it again, i wroship him and love him. Thats what he REALLY wants. The techinalities are there, they are not cumpalsory. If so, i would not be swaminarayan, if i was wrong i would not be alive. The point of hinduism is flexibilty. WOrship any god in any form, its all the same.

what you have said is rediculuos completely. god does wants you to love him and he loves you- thats why he has given you commands for your own benefit so you can reach him. obviously if you love him by heart- it is good but he has given you simple instructions to follow to reach him, so you can reach him, if you dont follow the instructions you cant reach him. it is absolutely not about flexibility. that is rediculous.

[Don Penguinoini]

First of all, spell in english. I have no clue what you are saying half the time.

I do not think i am god. Your crazy. Why are you getting so cranky?

[harikrishna]

Originally Posted by patl101

this penguino thinks he is god, he makes up his therioes at the top of his head and believes thats the ultimate truth. he doesnt know his place. we are followers and see ourselves at the feet of god thats we we follow his teachings and not our human and environtmentally influenced minds. penguino believes believes you can do what you want- and completely disregards gods orders. you say that all religions lead to god- why not be muslim then, because you are obviosly not following hinduism. you talk all the time about loving god, how can you love him if you know about his word and decide purposely not to follow it becasue you think you are right. you are obviously an egoist, who thinks he knows everything and chooses his own made up way of worship. i know you are young, therefore you should be asking for advice and learning from people more knowledgabe than you, and if you dont trust them atleast find out what god told us to to and follow that but most things you say are rediculuos. and as for insulting bhakts of the oss or any other- you should keep in mind that this is a very big sin, worser than killing cows, adultary etc, because it cannot be redeemed, - god said himself in vachnamrut(find out for yourself), therefore if you care about your safety you should stop insulting bhakts of orignal swaminarayan sampraday.

I totally agree.

[patl101]

Originally Posted by penguino

First of all, spell in english. I have no clue what you are saying half the time.

I do not think i am god. Your crazy. Why are you getting so cranky?

- first of all, if you dont understand what i am writing, i think you need to get some basic english skills learned before you start writing about what hinduism is. its better to learn the language first, so you can understand what people write.

- secondly, ok i didnt mean you think your god but you defenitely think you know better than god- otherwise why would you not adopt his teaching and commands, and instead make up your own. i dont think you will understand your religion(and any other religion) if you see yourself in this way. before you even worship god or talk about religion, you need to know that you are immeasurably very very low compared to god. you(along with everyone and everything in the world) are so low and insignificant towards god- that it cannot even be measured or understood. before you understand this(instead of thinking your way is better than gods way of following religion and worship)- you have no chance of progressing in any religion. even small children know this(that what they believe and think is rubbish compared to what god has told them), and yet you think your perceptions and beliefs(which are against the word of god) are right. i pitty you. i really do. ive read your previous posts and many people especially mahesh have tried to help you (he and others have no vested interest in posting comments to you but even still, out of sorrow(for you) and generosity are trying to help and correct your ignorance for your own benefit). you are very lucky that true bhakts like mahesh and harikrishna are posting comments to you regardless of how stubborn and lost in ignorance you are. what their and my message is, is '' follow god and his commands- as he has written them down for you, for your own well being and for your own journey to god''. you are so lucky to even have access to these commands, unlike billions of other souls. to have access to vachnamrut and shikshapatri(which is the form and representative of god himself) is like winning the biggest lottery in the world, you are one of the few souls out of billions that have this access by the grace of god, you may never get this chance again in any lifetime
. therefore you should be clever and follow them and use this lifetime carefully to reach the ultimate goal- which is to reach god. its really up to you, your choice at the end of the day, and this not only goes to you but all baps followers who are against the commands of bhagwan. dont be foolish enough to waste this lifetime by going by your own intellect, feelings and beliefs. instead follow bhagwan's teaching and orders not your own made-up baps version, so that you can gaurantee yourself access to bhagwans dham- as bhagwan said himself that if you follow HIS commands you will reach HIS dham from where he has come. why are you baps people foolish enough to not take up on this gaurantee that god has given you and instead waste this chance bhagwan has given you. and one other thing is that bhagwan also said that if you choose not to abide by these orders- that you will never attain happiness in this world or the next.

[Don Penguinoini]

I dont think i know better then god. Read the Hinduism overview by Rex. Read the bit about Ramunaj!!!

[harikrishna]

No Rex is greater than God. So if you want to read somthing read His word. He came down just over 200 years ago and established the way of attaining Him in this age in accordance to the Vedas. So we should be good followers and follow His word.

God bless you and show you His way so you may attain Him.

Jai Swaminarayan.