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[satsand deshi]

"Also when Shriji Maharaj left for Akshardham He clearly stated nothing more remains to be done. All He came down for has to be done. Yagnapurush swami thought there was some huge thing Mahraj left and not finished. Thus he had to accomplish it. Which is wrong of him. He was excommunicated he didnt leave from his own will. Otherwise why did he not just go to Amdavad desh? "
---MAHESH
pROOF BUDDY PROOF
wHEN MAHARAJ WAS IN VARTAL AFTER THE SABHA HE CALLED GOPALANAND SWAMI TO HIS ROOM AND OLY WANTED HIM TO GO THERE PRIVATELY.
NISKULANAND SWAMI WANTED TO SEE OR HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON AND HEARD MAHARAJ BY STANDING ON THE SID OF THE CLOSED DOORS.
MAHARAJ SAID:
I have come here for six reasons
why dont you ask your santos all six reasons???
THEN YOU TELL ME IF THEY ARE DONE OF NOT!
NISKULANAND SWAMI HAS WRITTEN ALL SIX DOWN!!!

Plus do you hear what you are asking??
Amdavad state if he went there they probably would have killed him maybe you should read his biogrphy if he was in one place after leaving vartal many times he had to leave prior to nightfall. WHY????????????????????
BECAUSE YOUR PADAS(a.k.a THATS WHAT THEY ARE CALLED SINSE THEY WERE PARSHADS W/ CAMALS)
WOULD COME TO KILL HIM??
YOU ACHARYA WAS A MERE BOY SO THE BAD SANOS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT
NOW DO YOU GET IT???

[satsand deshi]

HERE IS another thing i would like to refer to the things you had said to another member penguino. You said that BAPS DIDNT UNDERSTAD WHO BALDEVJI WAS. What led you to that conclusion???
Jai Swaminarayan

[satsand deshi]

Jai swaminarayan for now

[Don Penguinoini]

Where is this murti satsand?

[mahesh]

Fist of all yes you are right, one of the objects of the manifestation of Lord Swaminarayan on this earth was to expound the true form of upasana and establish ekantik dharma. True upasana involves identification of one's self with Akshar and, with that consciousness, worship of Lord Purushottam.

But where does its state that t oidentify yourself with Akshar you have to develop a communion with AKSHAR????? SHOW ME RIGHT NOW!!!! HAHA. You fall at the very first step. ALSO where is this so called GUNATIT PARAMPARA stated, which SHASTRA? You fail to answer my post correctly.

Which nand saint didn’t explain to all the followers by his ceaseless talks, day and night that Shriji Maharaj Himself is the Supreme Godhead?? Nityanand Swami did, Gopalanand Swami did, Deanna Swami did, Muktanand Swami did, Adharanand Swami did, Sachidanand swami did, Bhumanand swami did, Shuk Muni Did, Suvrat Muni did all did. How does this prove hat Gunatitanand Swami is AKSHAR?

Are you trying to say that God did not give us a clear understanding of what was needed to be followed in the scriptures that He authenticated? Are you trying to say that the saints such as Muktanand Swami and Nishkulanand Swami, Nirgunanand Swami were false in proclaiming that God told them that Sadguru Gopalanand Swami is Mool Akshar? Was Nirgunanand Swami false again in for stating that Gunatitanand swami was an avatar of one of the Sankadiks and is one of the holders of all the wisdom of our Sampraday?

Scriptures and basics of a faith cannot be authenticated unless God states it and its then authenticated by Him in a scripture. Before you were stating that Raghuvirji Maharaj also understood it this way. Which I have just realised is utter false. As Raghuvirji maharaj used to have Sant Samagam of Gopalanand Swami. But when Swami went Akshardhaam only then did Raghuvirji Maharaj go to Sadguru Gunatitanand Swami for Akshar.

BAPS are bogus. They are changing the scriptures the Arti and many other things. The Upasna was the very first thing that was changed. If you haven’t even left the Arti alone what surprise is it that you will change scriptures, kirtans and Artis’s. The true doctrine is that which Shriji Maharaj established. What a so-called Sadhu thought was right 100+ years later is not.

All the great saints have written in their vatos as to who Akshar is. They have described Gopalanand Swami as this Akshar. This can be read in the shastras today. Shriji Maharaj first told Gopalanand swami in Kariyani. Nishkulanand Swami heard this. Also the Upasna of having Akshar worshipped alongside Purshottam is also not Vedic. This can clearly be seen in the Bhashya of Shri Ramanuj acharya as well. So whatdo you have to say about this other then always ignore it? Also where in the scriptures is it states that the Nand santos tried to consecrate the murtis of Akshar Purshottam but their acts were foiled? You talk as though to say that these Nand Saints were suppressed. How foolish of you to state such.

These saints were not ordinary. Who would they be suppressed by you silly fool! They had the power to go in Samadhi as they willed. Sachidanand Swami once went to Swarg and slapped Indra for not making it rain. You don’t even know the great mahima of these saints. You hold Yagnapurush as more powerful in other words. This can be clearly seen. You state that these saints were “silently praying” for someone to eastbalish this Upasna? Don’t make me laugh. You do heavy Khandan of Maharaj, Vachan Droh and guru Droh.


Akshar Brahman
(Earth, water, fire, wind, space, egoity, Mahat, Pradhan Purush, Prakriti Purush) Akshar Brahman is the cause of all these tattvas. And that Akshar is the dwelling place of Lord Purushottam....and also possesses a divine form.(Gad.I-63)

Yes that above we know. LOL. We don’t disagree with it. LOL. That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar.

va seems to be more luminous in the disc of flesh in the heart and less throughout the body where it is felt immanently. This is how the Jiva resides in the body. And within the Jiva, Parmatman resides as the witness. (Gad.III-4)

Yes that above we know. LOL. We don’t disagree with it. LOL. That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar.

The scriptures proclaim that the Jiva by nature is conscious, all powerful, and is enwrapped by avidya or the causal body. Just as a magnet attracts iron, similarly, the Jiva has the inherent nature to be attached to gross and subtle bodies. And being enwrapped by avidya, he identifies himself completely with his physical body, forgetting his original form, viz. the Atman. (Gad. II-66)

Yes that above we know. LOL. We don’t disagree with it. LOL. That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar.

God and His brahmanised saint continue to manifest in Bharat Khanda. Those Jivas who know them as such in their true form are recognized as bhaktas. (Vartal-19)

Yes that above we know. LOL. We don’t disagree with it. LOL. That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar. Nor does it establish Akshar. It talks of the Brahmanised saint. Meaning any Ekantik Saint who realises Himself as Brahm meaning the soul.

He is the true satsangi - a devotee - who has realized the immutable Atman and with such atmic bhav has established rapport with Parmatman, who is the ultimate Truth. (Gad. III-39)

Yes that above we know. LOL. We don’t disagree with it. LOL. That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar.

[mahesh]

One who has attained fully these attributes of the saint has established total rapport with God. (Gad. I-44) That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar. Nor does it establish Akshar. It talks of the Brahmanised saint. Meaning any Ekantik Saint who realises Himself as Brahm.


A saint who feels that he is the Atman, and does not identify himself with the body, either gross, subtle or causal; such a saint always remains conscious of God seated within his Atman. He is always with God in the divine realm of God....One who has the darshan of such a saint should always rejoice with the feeling that he had the darshan of God. (Sar.-10)
A saint with such understanding is so highly respected by Me that I would rub the dust of his feet on My head, I would be pained to harm him and would long to have his darshan ....such a devout man is so dear to God that He bestows His highest powers on him, and empowers him to redeem millions of souls only by his darshan, for his darshan is equivalent to the darshan of God Himself. (Gad. I-37)

That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar. Nor does it establish Akshar. It talks of the Brahmanised saint. Meaning any Ekantik Saint who realises Himself as Brahm


A devotee having fully developed Jnan, Vairagya, Bhakti and infinite other redemptive attributes gains the power to sustain God within him fully, and thus becomes totally possessed by God. God bestows on him His infinite powers for the redemption of many jivas......such a saint gets the power to support various universes. (Gad. I-27)
The development of the attributes of saintliness by such spiritual thinking gains for him an unparalleled position. Just as a Queen enjoys all the rights and privileges of the King, such a saint also enjoys divine favors from God. His spiritual endeavor culminates in such an enviable divine status as that of God. (Gad. II-22)

That doesn’t establish that Gunatitanand swami is Akshar. Nor does it establish Akshar. It talks of the Brahmanised saint. Meaning any Ekantik Saint who realises Himself as Brahm

Secondly Vignananand Swami was a nand sant. The scriptures clearly state that none of teh nand santos slept on a bed. So where did this bed come from? The Sikshapatri also clearly states that Sadhus should not sleep on a bed.

Just because Vignanananand swami is a nand sant does not mean he slept on a bed. If you read the history you will come to know that even when saint were old they would not accept the bed. For the respect of the Lord they would not sleep on a bed. This can be seen in the Ahricharitramrut Sagar. So you are wrong again.

The poof that Yagnapurush swami was excommunicated is in the Santo ni Pranalika book in Vadtal. All the sadhus that have been excommunicated are named with the date and time and reason. Next time you go do have a look. Its their in red writing.

Nishkulanand swami heard all and has stated Himself that he heard Shriji Maharaj telling Sadguru Mul Akshar Gopalanand swami that he was Akshar. Are you calling Sadguru Nishkulanand swami a liar?

The Acharya is not mine. He is the Acharya of the whole Sampraday and all the true Haribhakts of Shriji Maharaj. You quote Nishkulanand Swami. But have you read his Kavya? You hold the works of your Swami more, this can be clearly seen.

Is the Sikshpatri in Shloka 62 and the others not understandable to you? Is the Desh Vibhaagh lekh wrong? Along with Satsangi Jivan, Nishkulanand Kavya, harililamrut, Bhaktchintamani, Adharanand Swamis granths, Santos Vatos all wrong? Is Vadtal 18 Vachnamrut wrong and incorrect?

[mahesh]

I would like to clear first that I was follower of BAPS since child hood, and now (at the age of 25th year) I have joined Original Sampraday by asking some questions to 1st line saints of BAPS. Please make a note that these all questions were unanswered by leading saints of BAPS. I have tried to ask these questiones to leading followers of BAPS, but as and when I asked questions they got provoked and could not answer.

I want to ask these all question to all BAPS followers, 1. Do you do whatever Pramukh swami maharaj say?

2. If yes, Pramukh swami maharaj has told in "Pramukhswami ni amrut vani" that, every satsangi should read books published by the seal of Acharya maharaj.

3. So did you try to read these books?

4. Did you read Shikshapatri? (Full version, not only Sukti ratna). which is stating that Murties which are established by Acharya should only be worshipped, other murties should not be worshipped but may be paid respect.

5. So please decide which murty are you worshipping? Established by Lord Swaminarayan Himself or by Gurus of BAPS.

6. In shikshapatri shlok Shree Hari has written that "Dharmado" should be given to the temples which I have built ("AAne me je sthapela Lakshminarayan aadik dev mandir..."). So please ask your self that are you giving dharmada to these Hari sthapit temples?

7. In shikshapatri , shree Hari has written that All sadhues MUST take Diksha from Acharya. So the other sadhus including your all Gurues (except Shashtriji Maharaj who was made "VIMUKH" from Vadtal temple) are not at all swaminarayan saints.

8. I think all satsangies Must read Desh Vibhag lekh, which is written by Shree Hari in the presence of all leading satsangies, and sadhus at that time. In this bhagwan has told that "Je koi mara sthapela dharma thi aalag aashram sthapshe te Guru Drohi chhe, vachan drohi chhe, ane te Jarur aa lok ne vishe ane parlok ne vishe mota kashta ne pamshe".

5. Did you read Bhaktachintamani? In which many a time Lord has said that all must follow Acharya's Agya.

6. Do you know that when any new saint is taking diksha in BAPS, then he is driven to Nar Narayan dev temple first.

7. Do you know that when ever Pramukh swami maharaj is coming to Gadhada, he visits Gopinathji Maharaj Temple to worship without fail. So please, if you want to go Akhardham then you all should read Shikshapatri, Vachanamrit (read whole, not some paragraphs which is instructed by BAPS temple), Bhaktachintamani, Satsangi Jivan (some days before in Dadar BAPS satsang sabha, mahant swami of dadar has also told to read satsangi Jivan) and Understand that without any bias. You will realise that through original sampraday only, one can get Akhardham.

8. At last but not least , the last shlok of shikshapatri -"Je aa shikhapatri pramane vartshe tene Dharma, Arth, Kam, ane Moksha (Akhardham) malshe, and je nahi varte te to AMARA DHARMA THI BAHER CHHE tem janvu."

Now its upto you whether you want to follow word of Lord Swaminarayan, or words of Gurus (who are miss leading to all)

[mahesh]

From the scripture of Nirgun Swami vaat number 60.

Shriji Maharaj was residing in Gadhpur. There was an assembly of followers and saints before Him. After this Shriji Maharaj happily asked Gunatitanand swami “ Wear this garland of flowers and as of to9day you shall be the Mahant (head) of the Junagadh Temple”. Gunatitanand Swami replied “No Maharaj, I do not wish to wear become a mahant”. Yet Swaminarayan Bhagwan insisted.

After seeing this Gunatitanand swami spoke “Only if Gopalanand Swami comes to Junagadh every year and if he does Katha, I will wear the garland and accept your decision”. So Maharaj asked Gopalanand swami “ oh Gopalanand Swami, will you go every year to give him your divine talks?” Gopalanand swami replied” I will do as you order Maharaj”.

So Shriji Maharaj told Gunatitanand swami “ Swami now Gopalanand swami has agreed now wear the garland”.

So then Gunatitanand Swami was garlanded and made the head of Junagadh temple. From then onwards Gopalanand Swami used to go every year. When he couldn’t make it one year then he would stay for two months the year after. He did this till he stayed upon the Earth.

108-109 it states:

When there was only five days left for Shriji Maharaj to depart to Akshardham he awoke in the middle of the night and asked “who is here at the moment?” So he was told that Mulji Brahmchari, Shukmuni and Ratanjibhai are here Maharaj.” So Shriji Maharaj replied “call upon Muktanand swami, I wish to speak to him alone.”

Then Ratanjibhai called upon Muktanand Swami. He came and sat beside Shriji Maharaj. Shriji maharaj spoke “ Swami do you have full trust upon me?” So Muktanand Swami replied “ I have full trust upon you Maharaj.” Then Shriji Maharaj spoke “All you live and abide by Gopalanand Swamis orders, all abide in him even in Akshardham. And Mool Akshar is none but him.”

Muktanand swmai replied “ Oh Maharaj, He is a very great saint then! But why did you not ytell us earlier?” Then Shriji maharaj spoke “ If I would have told you all earlier many other elder sainst would not like it, but from now you should all live in His commands.” Hence Muktanand Swami replied “Oh Maharaj, we will with firm faith remain in his commands,” Swami then bowed down.

[mahesh]

Both the hands of the Acharyas were also placed in Sadgruru Mul Akshar Gopalanand swamis hands by Shriji Maharaj on the day He Departed to Akshardham. he then stated that what he came onto the earth for was now all accomplished and nothing more remained to do (Last Prakran of satsangi Jivan) so all at that point agreed. They had realised why Shriji Maharaj had done this. This was done as all by then had recognised that Sadguru Gopalanand Swami was Mul Akshar.

You can all read this for yourself.