Kusang and Satsang (ritual, moral, followers, doctrine, preach)

[celina]

Kusang (Company of Vicious People):

One who seeks ultimate redemption should always remain away from nastikas (who believes only in karmas and do not recognise God as the giver of the fruits of karmas) and Shushka Vedantis (who profess; 'I am Brahman' and therefore have no moral obligation. They thus indulge in antinomianism.) (Gad. I-48)

http://www.swaminarayan.org/scriptur...ems.htm#kusang


Satsang (Company of Saintly People):
The divine contact of a God-realised saint is like the magic stone and the tree which gives the desired fruits. (Gad. I-14)


By cultivating the contact of a God-realised saint, who sincerely observes the five holy injunctions, the force of Bhakti flourishes. (Gad. I-29)

It is by the contact of a God-realised saint that the ego and the attachment towards the body and the relatives of the physical body dissolve, and a deep attachment towards God develops, which consolidates an unflinching devotion to God in one's heart. (Gad. I-8)

One who with purity and love dedicates himself to this satsang will be redeemed of all his sins and will experience Brahmic bliss in this very life. (Sar.-9)

If you cannot fully engage your mind in meditational thoughts of God, you should firmly resolve to remain in the company of a saint possessing the attributes of Dharma, Jnan, Vairagya and Bhakti. (Gad. II-48)

If a man desires to be redeemed, he should be attached to this Holy Fellowship with no worldly desires. (Gad. I-70)

http://www.swaminarayan.org/scriptur...ms.htm#satsang

[mahesh]

ALL PLEASE READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY!!!

Reality is none other than what the Lord set (Amdavad and Vadtal diocese).
Rest of the so called Swaminarayan sects are of Asuri budhi. Let me explain with what God taught. In Vachanamrut 14 Gadhada 2nd.

The lord says that a person’s mind, which has taken avgun (critisised or dishonoured) a saint or God himself becomes cursed. He cannot get ultimate redemption or Kalyaan (moksha). He is agnostic and finds faults with a true saint and God. For many lives he will remain the same. There are also another persons who commit many sins, but his mind is not, such which finds faults with true saints and God and his work. Therefore even though he commits sins he knows that a saint his true and understands a saints importance. Therefore whenever he approaches a true saint his sins are nullified by mere touch of a true saint. He also realises that he makes mistakes, Therefore he doesn’t fall from his path of attaining Gods abode.

It is like milk, which has been poisoned. The milk is used to make many products such as Yoghurt, chaas, butter, cheese etc. Now if the milk has been poisoned the rest of the by products will also be poisoned. No matter how much a person heats the milk the poison will not got rid of. In the same way the cursed mind (asuri) will not got be got rid of unless he realises the greatness of a true saint. Until then he will always find faults in a sampraday or satsang. Whereas milk which only has debris fallen into it can be sieved heated purified and drunk. This is the case for the sinner. A sinner can get rid of his sin very easily just by realising a true saint and taking refuge under him or merely by realising the greatness of God.

Lord calls people of poisoned minds asuri. He also states that asuri’s can only be existing in a sampraday or close to a satsang. As he has to because only then he can find faults of a saint etc.

The other thing is that a paapi (sinner) can be generally recognised. For example a person who drinks can be recognised easily by the way he smells. Or a smoker can be recognised for whatever reason etc but a person who is Asuri cannot be recognised even though he lives within the company of a satsang or sampraday. Even though the asur lives may be a devout Brahmin doing what he is meant to such as Puja, Tilak chandlo, and manasi Puja, and satsang etc. this does not mean he is of good nature!

It’s the inner qualities, which are the ones to look out for. For example Hitler is said to be a vegetarian and non-alcoholic. This does not mean Hitler was a good man? No it doesn’t for he had many asuri tendencies, He may have murdered many saintly people.

Another example is that of Ravan. He was well known as a studier of Veda’s. He wrote so many manuscripts of the Veda’s. He pleased Lord Shiv and Brahmaji with his penance! Does this mean he was of good character? No it doesn’t because he questioned Gods divinity as well as opposed Him and his saints thus making him Asuri. He had hatred towards his Brother Vibhishan who was saintly in character.

Therefore there are many asurs living today in satsang as well as outside of satsang but because they have found faults in God, true saints and followers they will remain asuri, and their hearts will be full of ignorance, envy, anger, arrogance and other inner enemies (kaam, krodh, lobh, matsar, irsha etc.).

This also exists within sadhus as well. They look at devotees and they have no problem with them. But inside they have so much hatred with other true saints. They have anger and jealousy lurking inside them. Or they want to break away and do another thing from what God originally stated. Just like poisoned milk, no matter how many mouth-watering products are created it will remain poison. In the same way no matter how many good causes these breakaway cults like Maningar, Haridham Sokda, BAPS or other so called “faiths of Lord Swaminarayan” create; they will always remain poisoned as the initial breakaway is devoid of the sampraday.

An asuri intelligence must have prevailed of a so-called saints to create such sub-sampraday’s in the first place. As no matter what the circumstances are. Even if a Dharmvanshi acharya is devoid of what he should be doing, this does not create an excuse to breakaway from the original doctrine as another acharya is sure to follow and true saints still reside and will always reside within the sampraday. As breaking away from the reality is nothing but breaking away from heaven. These people who do such are “vimookhs”.

The lord commanded that this satsang and sampraday is for the ultimate redemption of human kind. It is a way in many will attain heaven. My doors for whoever realises this is free from the agonies of birth and death and never have to be born within this universe which has been created to purify the souls. A temple, satsang and sampraday are not created to be well established and to gain fame and be recognised throughout the world with its popularity. It is there so that souls attain heaven. So people who say, “oh BAPS is popular, they have the larges gathering of followers” etc are misguided. For if this were the case then so called acharya’s like Rajneesh would have gained heaven ages ago even though his actions were devoid of what the Lord wants just because of his popularity at one stage.


Just like a house is for people within not for people to live for. In the same way a sampraday is fore getting into heaven not for so called guru’s and new cults to live for which is the case that can be seen today. BAPS, Maninagar sanstha etc are there for creating revenge, people do not see this nor realise how the sanstha comes to be. All they see is this front which they think is correct and as its strong, popular etc, it must be true. Yes they do good deeds, yes they feed the poor, yet it is like the by products of poisoned milk and of asuri. These good deeds that they do will not alone get them into heaven, as the initial teachings taught by the Lord are not intercepted with what they preach, teach or carry out. However, these good deeds will help them in their lives to come even though they may be saintly in this life. Thus is kaliyug. Just like the person who does Tilak, chandlo, wakes up in brahmuhrat but is evil from the inside because of abhaav of saints and Gods initial teachings, in the same way these more and more fabricated cults which are coming to be are poisoned according to God. This is not what I’m saying this is what the Vachanamrut teaches. This is what God teaches using the example of Raghunathdas who lived in the sampraday yet was evil was sent to heaven even though he met God. In the same way these so called Swaminarayan sampradays to worship and follow the same God yet they do so without the right purpose. Without following the true guru and without intercepting what God initially wanted.

These views of God are for people who are deivy (divine souls) and not asuri’s as asuri minded people will always question and will remain agnostic no matter what the case. These are the teachings of Lord Swaminarayan.

[Hema]

Satsang is very important if we are trying to lead a spiritual life. Sometimes friends will try to lead us astray that's why we should keep the company of like-minded people. Remember Shakespeare said - show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are.

[celina]

Originally Posted by Hema

Satsang is very important if we are trying to lead a spiritual life. Sometimes friends will try to lead us astray that's why we should keep the company of like-minded people. Remember Shakespeare said - show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are.

Thanks. What a great quote. I definately believe people's friends have a great influence on them. Positive or Negative.

[mahesh]

Yep Satsang is very important. Also True Satsang. The way it should be. Should not be any compromises in Satsang.

[Don Penguinoini]

True Satsang, am i sensing Aupmayav style remarks (no offence

[mahesh]

No not at all. No offence taken either. As i clearly know how me and Aupmanyav differ.

As for Sacho Satsang. Not later made offshooted philosophies. i meant as Bhagwan Swaminarayan wants it. The Satsang as it should be.

Jai Swaminarayan

[Don Penguinoini]

Another Anti-BAPS remark?

[mahesh]

Not anti. Just following what Bhagwan laid down. Whats wrong with what God wants? Im anti anything what Bhagwan hasnt recognised ever.