Disunity... (incarnation, faith, God, Hinduism)

[Don Penguinoini]

Ok then, what about in Krishna dev's time, eveerything is still corrupt and greedy!!Your arguments are useless!!

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by Hema

But don't you say that everyone is Brahman?

I have already agreed that every thing is Brahman, Swami Sahajananda as well as the dog in the street or a stone. But, according to 'Advaita', one cannot be Brahman in exclusion to others. Even Hitler and Yahya Khan were none other than Brahman, only that they were heavily embroiled in Maya.

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by hallo

Ok then, what about in Krishna dev's time, eveerything is still corrupt and greedy!!Your arguments are useless!!

For hindus in general: This is another yuga and Kali is here according to divine plans. His time will be up only when the next avatara comes at the end of the yuga.

For me: Krishna was not a person, he is the wisdom of India (perhaps by now you know that I do not believe in existence of a personal God).

[Seyorni]

If someone chooses to invest a graven image, a cow or a stone with divinity that's their affair. What someone else feels most comfortable with as a symbol of Divinity in no way encumbers my own spiritual path. We need to cut each other some slack.

We are all deluded by maya. We are all spiritually obtunded. Not everyone who is physically ill benefits from the same medical treatment. Not everyone who is spiritually disabled will respond to the same formula either.

Worship who and how you will, but don't seek to force others onto your path. What is appropriate for you is not appropriate for everyone. Respect and honor your neighbor's path. If possible, assist him on his journey. Ultimately, he is you.

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

For hindus in general: This is another yuga and Kali is here according to divine plans. His time will be up only when the next avatara comes at the end of the yuga.

For me: Krishna was not a person, he is the wisdom of India (perhaps by now you know that I do not believe in existence of a personal God).

Ok..Um, that made no sesnse

[Hema]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

In recent days we have had a flood of Bhagawans.

In light of your new post then,

I have already agreed that every thing is Brahman, Swami Sahajananda as well as the dog in the street or a stone. But, according to 'Advaita', one cannot be Brahman in exclusion to others. Even Hitler and Yahya Khan were none other than Brahman, only that they were heavily embroiled in Maya.

I would say that we are all Bhagwan. There is no flooding if there is only one Bhagwan.

[Hema]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Worship who and how you will, but don't seek to force others onto your path. What is appropriate for you is not appropriate for everyone. Respect and honor your neighbor's path. If possible, assist him on his journey. Ultimately, he is you.

I totally agree.

[Don Penguinoini]

How can there be more then one bhagawans, there is only one, this is very contradictive of you.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

If Swami Sahajananda was Parabrahma, his coming has proved utterly useless. He is a failed Messiah. India is even more corrupt that it was in his time, and his descendants and devotees have proved themselves to be no less corrupt. I did not know that Prarabrahma is that powerless!!

LOl dont you believe in Brahman as everything? So what difference does it make to you? As we know what Swaminarayan Bhagwan did. HE established Ekantik Dharm. Ghyan, bhakti dharm and vairagya. So how can He be futile? LOl you would need to reasearch into His works to judge. But from what you judge of Him, such drivel, it can be clearly concluded that you have done no such thing.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Even Hitler and Yahya Khan were none other than Brahman, only that they were heavily embroiled in Maya.

HAha. Just by you agreeing to somthing doesnt make it true, as you are imperfect yourself. But according to you there will be no such thing as perfect for there is no karma. As if there was all cannot be Brahman.

If all is Brahman then where does the Maya you talk of come from and How does it affect the all powerfull Brahman. As you state that Hitler too is Brahman but just embroiled hevily in Maya. For if it does affect Brahman that makes two entities. Not just that but the reaction between the two makes Karma. So how is this possible?

Also if there is Maya how is it created according to your belief system? Also is the Maya you talk of an eternal entity? What is its nature and its attributes? WHat purpose deos it serve?

We want to hear this from your point of view as we already have the answers hence just intrested.