Lord Swaminarayan's Philosophy: Five Eternal Realities (ritual, Earth, salvation, soul)

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by celina

Swaminarayan Bhagawan is God. Lord Swaminarayan has propagated a philosophy where He says that God is Supreme, has a divine form, is the all doer and always present on earth. He simply states that jivas never merge or dissolve into God and neither are they part of God but always subservient to God. The Jiva, through absolute surrender and attachment toward the Guru, attains the realized state and becomes eligible to offer pure worship to God.

Parabrahman or Purushottam is the highest reality, the supreme Godhead, one and unique. He is, at once, transcendent to everything and immanent in everything. He is the concrete reality with divine form and perfect personality who is the controller and supporter of everything. Jiva, Ishwar, Maya and Aksharbrahman constitute the body of Parabrahman who is their soul. And Lord Swaminarayan Himself is Parabrahman or Purushottam.

My comment "Who put demonic elements in the human mind in the first place?' was in reply to the first line of the first post in the topic, 'I have incarnated upon this earth, not to kill demons, but to uproot the demonic elements from the human mind'. My question is, 'Why did your Bhagawan Parabrahma Purushottam, Swaminarayan, if he is the supreme God, put demonic elements in the human mind in the first place?' In this post you say that He is the only doer. Is he off his rocker? First dirty something and then try to clean it up. Why did He put demonic thoughts in the mind of men and women? And He has been a total failure in it. He has not been able to clean even the minds of his great devotees and your revered Vadtal swamis, whose sexual capers were disgustingly watched by people in India on the news channels; or engage in financial irregularities. I think I have seen a post saying this from one of your Swaminarayana devotees. Is this the kind of God that you people are so enamoured of? Please answer if you can.

[mahesh]

He doesnt put eveil elements in the mind you fool. Its mans free will. You should have lessons in Karma. He isnt the doer of free will.

God doesnt control free will. By the way what do you folow?Are you an atheist or agnostic? Or just insecure in what you follow hence you bother those that are devoted in what they follow?

Jay Swaminarayan

[Aupmanyav]

If it is man's free will, then Swami Sahajananda is not the doer and Parabrahman. You are contradicting yourself.

I am an advaitist. I am in no way insecure. I am only debating truth or untruth of a statement.

[mahesh]

Yes HE has the ability to change the mode of a persons life. To change the path. So yes HE is the all doer. Yet He doesnt control free will of man. So your wrong again. You see?Simple.

[Don Penguinoini]

Thats why they cal it free will. Man shapes his own mind. THe ability of bad is there when is there when we are free in the mind. Its simple.


Aupmanyav, isnt it funny i, a 12 yr old can understand this, but a man of your age can't? Or is it the time you've spent belived what you do has made a barrier against all sense which could challenge your follish thoughts, contradictory to the very philosphy og hinduism?

[mahesh]

Are you 12 years old?

[Don Penguinoini]

Yes i am, you?

[mahesh]

im 22.

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by penguino

Thats why they cal it free will. Man shapes his own mind. The ability of bad is there when is there when we are free in the mind. Its simple.

Aupmanyav, isnt it funny i, a 12 yr old can understand this, but a man of your age can't? Or is it the time you've spent belived what you do has made a barrier against all sense which could challenge your foolish thoughts, contradictory to the very philosphy of hinduism?

Penguino, it would be a long time before you understand (normally, you start understanding things when you are around 40 years of age). Man's actions are shaped by his/her circumstances. You are worshiping Sahajananda because you are born in a Swaminarayana family. That is not free will. If you are not free in mind, then you hardly understand the difference. What do you know about hindu philosophy? I am old enough to disregard your impertinent remarks as childishness and deficiency of Samskaras.

[mahesh]

My My what ego you possess. See thats the difference between you and us. We have Dharm, Gyaan, Bhakti and Vairagya to rid us of our inner enemies. As you dont believe in Parbrahm you have no such methods to rid yourslef of your inner enemy even at the age of 40!! As at a young age we know how to control such egos and inner enemies like KAam, krodh, lobh, maan etc. We have time and the correct methods to discard such and live a very happy life.

Thats your ego letting you think how you do. As knowledge isnt measured by age. But your Ahamkaar states such. Poor guy.

By the way i wasnt born into the Swaminarayan Faith. I have accepted it. My parents still do not follow the faith yet they are happy in allowing me to follow it.