Holy Shikshapatri (eternal, scriptures, God, cross)

celina · #1 05-22-2007, 05:57 PM

Shikshapatri Quotes:

Glory of Shikshapatri

"Those who shall observe strictly the rules of ethics as prescribed shall derive happiness here and hereafter,
and those who wantonly transgress them and behave willfully
shall suffer great distress here and in the life hereafter."
Shloka: 8, 9

"I have collected the quintessence of all the scriptures
and written this Shikshapatri,
which is the giver of the highest desired fruits to mankind.
Those who live by it shall be happy here and hereafter."
Shloka: 204

celina · #2 05-22-2007, 05:58 PM

Essense of Shikshapatri

"Identify
oneself with Brahman,
separate from the three bodies,
and eternally offer devotion to God."
Shloka: 116

Digital Shikshapatri Site

Aupmanyav · #3 05-25-2007, 07:27 AM

If you identify with 'Brahman', then there is no God. You yourself are it.

Aupmanyav · #4 05-25-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by celina

"Those who shall observe strictly the rules of ethics as prescribed shall derive happiness here and hereafter, and those who wantonly transgress them and behave willfully shall suffer great distress here and in the life hereafter."

"I have collected the quintessence of all the scriptures and written this Shikshapatri, which is the giver of the highest desired fruits to mankind. Those who live by it shall be happy here and hereafter."

There is no hereafter. One follows 'dharma' because it is our responsibility as a member of the society that we live in.

So, Swaminarayana was the editor of another book which tried to collect the wisdom of Indian scriptures. I hope he did a good job of it, some people make a mess of it.

Hema · #5 05-25-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

If you identify with 'Brahman', then there is no God. You yourself are it.

Isn't the "it" you refer to and "Brahman" one and the same?

Aupmanyav · #6 05-25-2007, 08:44 AM

It, this, that, you, me, he, she; as you know, when we cross these dualities, then we become 'Brahman'. (Manduka Upanishad - 'One who knows Brahman, becomes Brahman.' To know is to be.)

Hema · #7 05-25-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

It, this, that, you, me, he, she; as you know, when we cross these dualities, then we become 'Brahman'. (Manduka Upanishad - 'One who knows Brahman, becomes Brahman.' To know is to be.)

Yes, I agree, but why did you say before that there is no God if you identify with Brahman? To me, it would be more like "We are all God." The way that Sai Baba puts it.

Aupmanyav · #8 05-25-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hema

Yes, I agree, but why did you say before that there is no God if you identify with Brahman? To me, it would be more like "We are all God." The way that Sai Baba puts it.

Sai or any other babas are only repeating what was said in our scriptures thousands of years ago. You would agree that there is a difference between a 'nirguna' (attribute less) 'Brahman' and a 'Rahman-ur-Rahim' (munificient and kind, or strict and cruel) personal God. The latter is a mirage and a crutch. Many people need it.

Hema · #9 05-25-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Sai or any other babas are only repeating what was said in our scriptures thousands of years ago. You would agree that there is a difference between a 'nirguna' (attribute less) 'Brahman' and a 'Rahman-ur-Rahim' (munificient and kind, or strict and cruel) personal God. The latter is a mirage and a crutch. Many people need it.

To me, everything is Brahman. If we are all Brahman, then there is a personal relationship. There is no differentiation because there is only one.