Vaada :Hindu and Indian logic and reasoning (testimony, reject, Creator)

[xexon]

It is the mind which keeps the veil drawn between you and the divine.

Krishna used the mind's own abilities to overcome it's domination of the soul. Logic and reason can be compared to picking open a locked gate. (The mind is a closed system) A gated community of thoughts.

The biggest danger here is an impure mind will not know the correct tool to use and a lifetime will be wasted with the wrong picks. Trial and error is a long path. Thats why it is important to have a living master to show you the correct technique.

The path to God is a science. The correct technique will produce the correct result.

2+2=4.

Logic + reason will not = God.

But, Logic + reason will condition the mind to accept something it cannot perceive.

That is the first step in tearing the veil.



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[Moses the God Archetype*]

Very true xexon sri guru opens those doors for the aspirant.

[Aupmanyav]

Hindu logic is a beautiful and strong thing which has made us different from Abrahamic religions. Sage Valmiki makes Lord Rama say in his Ramayana 'Satyan Nasti Param Padam' (Nothing has a position superior to truth). Thanks, Niranjan for the excellent topic. Our Upanishad pray for a brilliant and non-acrimonious debate, 'Tejaswi Navadheetamastu, ma vidvishamahi'. Even if you do not do it obviously, it is always going on in your mind. I see that Niranjan and Xexon here are believer in the idea of 'God'. Niranjan has a personal 'God' in Krishna. Hema believes that Vedas were not composed by human beings. I am a staunch believer of 'Advaita', so no Gods for me. As for Vedas, I believe that they were composed by very enlightened people (their names and geneologies are clearly mentioned in the Vedas) and it will be a mockery of their intelligence and understanding to call them ordinary human beings. Will post some more as and when I come to other points.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Hindu logic is a beautiful and strong thing which has made us different from Abrahamic religions. Sage Valmiki makes Lord Rama say in his Ramayana 'Satyan Nasti Param Padam' (Nothing has a position superior to truth). Thanks, Niranjan for the excellent topic. Our Upanishad pray for a brilliant and non-acrimonious debate, 'Tejaswi Navadheetamastu, ma vidvishamahi'. Even if you do not do it obviously, it is always going on in your mind. I see that Niranjan and Xexon here are believer in the idea of 'God'. Niranjan has a personal 'God' in Krishna..

I believe in a personal God and an impersonal God.

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

I am a staunch believer of 'Advaita', so no Gods for me.

And how is that possible . Adwaita itself points out to the impersonal God. When you believe in Adwaita, you believe in Brahman.

Hence you are technically not an atheist as you said in the skadi forum, but a theist itself.

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Sage Valmiki makes Lord Rama say in his Ramayana 'Satyan Nasti Param Padam' (Nothing has a position superior to truth).

These quotes are very good. Would appreciate it if you can put more such hindu quotes on truth , logic and reason in this thread.

[Aupmanyav]

Brahman is not a God, it does not interfere in human affairs, you do not have to pray to it, praying would not please it, not praying will not displease it, it does not lord over your actions, it does not send one to heaven or hell, it is the substrate creating illusions of substance/energy/space/time. You, me, Xexon, all are it.

Thanks for your complement. Here is a link which contains a wealth of such beauties, have you seen it? (http://www.speaksanskrit.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=16) Sanskrit Subhashitani - (said well).

One of my fouvorites (of course, you know it):

'Vidya dadati vinayam, vinayat yati patratam;
patratvat dhanam apnoti, dhanat dharmam tatah sukham.'
(Knowledge gives humility, humility creates eligibility;
eligibility brings money, with money fulfillment of duties, which means happiness.'

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Brahman is not a God, it does not interfere in human affairs, you do not have to pray to it, praying would not please it, not praying will not displease it, it does not lord over your actions, it does not send one to heaven or hell, it is the substrate creating illusions of substance/energy/space/time. You, me, Xexon, all are it.

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And how can you say Brahman is not God . Vivekananda and Ramakrishna themselves state Brahman to be the impersonal God.

And how does it not interfere in human affairs when it itself is everything, including human affairs.

Also the personal God is a manifestation of the impersonal God, if you care to notice. Perhaps you should read the works of Vivekananda and Ramakrishna, who were both Jnana yogis and bhakta yogis.

[niranjan]

Thanks for the link , Aupmanyav. Appreciate that a lot.

[Aupmanyav]

I had enough of Vivekananda and Ramakrishna. What is 'God' if you are Brahman and I am Brahman, and if everything is Brahman ('Sarva Khalvidam Brahma', All this is Brahman)? What is 'God' if 'Ekameva Adviteeyam' (There is only one and no second)? What is 'God' if 'Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya, Jeevo Brahmaiva Na Parah' (Brahman is truth, the percieved is untruth, Jeeva is no different from Brahman)?

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

I had enough of Vivekananda and Ramakrishna.

And what about Sree Narayana Guru, Ramana Maharshi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Shankaracharya, mata Amritanandamayi and other enlightened masters who state the same thing.

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

What is 'God' if you are Brahman and I am Brahman, and if everything is Brahman ('Sarva Khalvidam Brahma', All this is Brahman)? What is 'God' if 'Ekameva Adviteeyam' (There is only one and no second)? What is 'God' if 'Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya, Jeevo Brahmaiva Na Parah' (Brahman is truth, the percieved is untruth, Jeeva is no different from Brahman)?

And is there a law that says that God cannot be you or I or everything.

[Aupmanyav]

I do not think we should get into a debate as to who was enlightened and who was not. It is possible that some were/are and some were/are not, people may have different views about it. I believe in oneness, do not know God. Kindly define God.