Discussion of the Secret Book of John (Jesus, Earth, gospel)

[ChrisP]

DUDE!!!! .... the message to you was not "this is not the Apocryphon of John"

It was " We are discussing the MESSAGE of the Apocryphon... not the origin."

[Buttercup]

Am I too late to contribute?

This thread is about Johnny Appleseed right?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Am I too late to contribute?

This thread is about Johnny Appleseed right?

never too late

unless you're just going to be silly

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

never too late

unless you're just going to be silly

*....chimp ducks out of room slowly muttering, "sowy!"

[Ramacharaka]

oops double post

[Ramacharaka]

Here I will quote the apocryphon and will state how each passage relates to the Necronomicon

"And the foundations of chaos shook"- from the apocryphon
"and the dark waters stirred"- from the Necronomicon
these passages are both repeated in the same manner.
This interesting parallel illustrates differant angles at which John and the ancient Sumarians approach things. John, as brash as he was, openly states that this corruption of a sacred walled garden near ancient egypt was the foundation of chaos on earth. The necronomicon was much more obscure about that notion, if we were to even find a copy in those times, and I think John got one because of how important the story of Christ was. This did not need to be included in his later writings and he implies that himself. Much of the rest of the apocryphon is like his typical pseudounitarian apocalypse.

"And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now."

I don't see how the above quote from the Necronomicon applies to the binding of the evil sorcerors section of the Necronomicon, which fought against them. Unless John was completly brainwashed and they were waiting for Heroin to be invented.

He thinks he's so ******* smart in the apocryphon because he talks about biology constructs and the like. There are loads of people that look like what John is supposed to look (Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, etc) but some just did it as a joke. I saw a scottish prostitute that looked like John once. I also know of an incredibly evil actual descendant with a wife named Carrie who were total IV ketamine heads, like its John's talk of robes in revelations as their last name is Dix and this relates to Fort Dix New Jersey, and the (DIA) defense intelligence agency the last democratic presidential attempt was a war hero who knew much better in regards to war what to do,and they may have been endorsing John Kerry/Edwards (edward Kelly was Dee's magical partner) by naming their kids this, but just as my dear friend, a Kelly, was haunted by what this idiot did (and Merlin did make a special book drop for Kelly once) actual descendants of John (and the Democrats sure weren't) are quite frankly infested with demons...so there goes his great biology construct philosophies. That guy should have got out of the spirituality game and let Kelly do what he was doing with Tarot.

the apocryphon says:
"a Pharisee named Arimanius approached him and said to him, "Where is your master whom you followed?" And he said to him, "He has gone to the place from which he came." The Pharisee said to him, "With deception did this Nazarene deceive you (pl.), and he filled your ears with lies, and closed your hearts (and) turned you from the traditions of your fathers."
So John still thinks he's hot **** and wants to write more.
The catholic encyclopedia defines Arianism (obviously named after this priest and not the 4th century one) as A heresy which arose in the fourth century, and denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

When they deny Christ in this manner it usually involves saying things that sound mystical but are really said without belief and to destroy others. The perfect example of this is Hitler calling German people Aryan. Aryan is a language related to sanskirt, and mostly involved people from India, like Native Americans being "Indian".

the seven faced stuff was an attempt at Hindu mysticism, (part of his great unitarian epic) as some statues had several faces, but the hindu scientific and magical system involved arms snagging things more, although you could be fooled by the faces. Krishna's war is a big part of Hinduism, and John relied on the ultimate redeeming power of this too much when he created seven headed violent beasts for some war of his own design. What he was trying to go after (as with the actual necronomicon) mostly involved pathological (more than 2 faced) liars who have a tendancy to create parallel universes with their lying.

[ChrisP]

Originally Posted by ChrisP

DUDE!!!! .... the message to you was not "this is not the Apocryphon of John"

It was " We are discussing the MESSAGE of the Apocryphon... not the origin."

Ramacharaka, We appreciate what you're trying to do and we would be happy to discuss this with you... PLEASE MAKE ANOTHER THREAD!!! You're dragging this one off it's intended topic. That's why we have different threads.

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

(realms = a state of being... not really a place)

That's the only bit i don't agree with. You've done an excellent job introducing the next part though wibbles.

I also got the feeling that "Word followed will" was important. It suggests that willing something is as important if not more important as actually doing. But it might just be that that sentence was very short and so stood out, who can say?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

That's the only bit i don't agree with.

that's cause you're a literalist!

You've done an excellent job introducing the next part though wibbles.

thanks Pookie! *smiles*

I also got the feeling that "Word followed will" was important. It suggests that willing something is as important if not more important as actually doing.

I'm going to take this answer because it reflects my feelings better than this:

But it might just be that that sentence was very short and so stood out, who can say?

[Buttons*]

I'm going to continue on.... any opposition?