The Demiurge (ritual, rejecting, Creator, blood, gnostic)

[Halcyon]

The Son of Sophia, the blind god who acknowledges none above him. He sits upon his golden throne surrounded by his Archons. He is the ruler of this world.

Murderer, rapist, deceiver. He is a devil, an almightly demon and yet his name is worshipped by millions.
Willfull ignorance and arrogance are his nature.

This is how the ancient Gnostics saw the demiurge who's name is Yaldaboath.
Whether he is a real celestial being, or simply a psychological concept - his influence is seen everywhere.

Wherever scientific evidence is rejected in favour of blind faith, we find the demiurge laughing.

Wherever religious or secular concepts and ideals are placed above human life, the demiurge lives there.

Whenever economic concerns are given priority over human suffering, the demiurge is pleased.

Greed, attachment, hate, violence, ignorance, blind faith, arrogance, selfishness - these are the weapons the demiurge uses to keep us unaware of our true nature, to keep us in love with the physical and rejecting of the spiritual.

[Buttons*]

This is true.... but what was the point? Would you like us to discuss how we think he influences us, or is this more of a "did you know....?" kind of post?

[gnostic]

Plato's "artisan" or "craftsman" had nothing to do with the "evil" of the Gnostic demiurge. In fact had nothing to do with good and evil.

Yes, I understand the Gnostic texts, he is the imperfect creator, the evil and jealous god, and the Gnostic version of Satan.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Plato's "artisan" or "craftsman" had nothing to do with the "evil" of the Gnostic demiurge. In fact had nothing to do with good and evil.

Where did that come from? I dont remember Halcyon saying anything about Plato....

[gnostic]

No, Halcyon didn't mention it. But before Gnosticism, Plato wrote in Timaeus, where the demiurge was perhaps mentioned for the 1st time. Plato's demiurge was indeed a creator of the physical world, but he gave no indication that demiurge having either good or bad attribute.

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Originally Posted by gnostic

No, Halcyon didn't mention it. But before Gnosticism, Plato wrote in Timaeus, where the demiurge was perhaps mentioned for the 1st time. Plato's demiurge was indeed a creator of the physical world, but he gave no indication that demiurge having either good or bad attribute.

Well isnt the physical world "evil" anyway according to Gnostics? Plato's demiurge may not be the same one? Maybe it was a common term after Plato's first usage of the word to describe the physical/unspiritual/material? (then again, i'm very unqualified to talk about this intellegently....)

[gnostic]

Actually, I am just as unqualified.

From what I read of The Apocryphon of John, and similar texts, Yaldbaoth is seeking to keep the humans entralled to their physical bodies. He want to keep them trap, feeding off the spark for his own gain, sort of like vampires use human blood as sustenance.

If you read, Apoc of John, you will remember that he stole Sophia's light or power. And he took away Adam's memory, so that he would remain ignorance of the gnosis.

[spacemonkey]

My interpritation is that the demiurge is not the gnostic version of "Satan", but he is what most of the world (at least followers of most Abrahamic faiths) worship as god. The word "demiurge", as someone pointed out, means "craftsman", the "creator" of this world. It is his creation, the world itself, that is evil and only through "gnosis" or "enlightment" can we escape it.

[spacemonkey]

Why do you think that Adam and Eve where forbiddin to partake of the fruit of "knowledge"?

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Originally Posted by spacemonkey

Why do you think that Adam and Eve where forbiddin to partake of the fruit of "knowledge"?

Because if they stayed ignorant, the Dimurge would be able to grow off their ignorance...?