The Demiurge (ritual, rejecting, Creator, blood, gnostic)

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

This is true.... but what was the point? Would you like us to discuss how we think he influences us, or is this more of a "did you know....?" kind of post?

I dunno, i felt like writing it is all.

For me he's the barrier we must overcome to reach gnosis, he's the seduction and fears of the material existance wrapped up in a neat little package.

Originally Posted by Buttons*

Because if they stayed ignorant, the Dimurge would be able to grow off their ignorance...?]

After they ate the fruit of knowledge, Yaldaboath kicked them out of the garden sharpish to prevent them eating of the tree of life and becoming like the gods. I don't understand what this means though, since the Archons are ignorant.

[spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

Because if they stayed ignorant, the Dimurge would be able to grow off their ignorance...?

It is ignorance that the Demiurge uses to keep us trapped in his creation.The story of Adam and Eve is not to be taken literally, it is an allegory. The "Tree of Knowledge" represents Gnosis, the one thing that can release us from enslavement by the Demiurge, the "God" of the OT. The concept of Gnosis, or enlightenment, or Nirvana, as the path to heaven, is prevalent in the majority of religions past and present.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by spacemonkey

It is ignorance that the Demiurge uses to keep us trapped in his creation.The story of Adam and Eve is not to be taken literally, it is an allegory. The "Tree of Knowledge" represents Gnosis, the one thing that can release us from enslavement by the Demiurge, the "God" of the OT. The concept of Gnosis, or enlightenment, or Nirvana, as the path to heaven, is prevalent in the majority of religions past and present.

yes, i know this *smiles*

[Godfather89]

You need to watch out where one gets the information about the Gnostic's. The church called them heretics do you think they are going to give you a truthful definition? In fact I hear the same response from the RCC all the time when in comes to Gnosticism: "Gnosticism is a heretical root from Christianity, the idea that a select elite can develop special powers and gifts through specialized knowledge that is hidden from most mortals." I am sorry but this statement written by Church officials offends me dearly.

To know the truth you should hear both sides. I gave orthodox Christianity a chance and listen to them. Than I gave the Gnostic's a chance and found there idea to be the better one. Don't forget the demiurge rules the physical world. Isn't the Roman Catholic Church one of the Major WORLD Religions?

Religion... Can either be liberating or the most enslaving thing ever to exist. Like I said i would be suspicious of the people against gnosticism for telling me what Gnosticism is about. Its like a asking a white supremacist if he is friends with any minorities, theres tension and hatred. Gnosticism is like the minority picked on by those who hate them for being different. I believe Jesus blesses those who are persecuted under injustice as the Gnostics have in the past, present and most likely future.