Gospel of Philip~ (Jesus, translation, gnostic, eternal, scriptures)

[Buttons*]

The Gospel of Philip has many different stories in it. It basically is laying out Yeshua explained in mini-essay form. (well, that's how i look at it anyways) I thought some of them were interesting to think about... I'm not sure if I should put them all in here at once or not, but i've got nothing better to do... i might as well:

Jesus's Names:
Jesus the Nazarene the Christ = redemption, truth, measured. (explained meanings in the gospel)
"'Christ' has been 'measured,' thus 'the Nazarene' and 'Jesus' have been measured out." ... Okay, so does anyone have a clue what they were talking about? I think that i'm just missing something, its right there, and i'm not grasping it... it's saying that truth and redemption have already been measured for those who come to it? What do they mean by measured?

One Who Is:
"The master said, 'Blessings on one who is before coming into being. For whoever is, was and will be.'" (i just thought that this was important... thought, light, and gnosis, all existed before we did, and will exist long afterwards)

There will be more to this thread later on....

[gnostic]

I read Philip's gospel last year. I still don't understand much of it, so I don't know what you are missing.

Gnosticism is still very new to me, and that's why I ask so many questions about it.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by gnostic

I read Philip's gospel last year. I still don't understand much of it, so I don't know what you are missing.

Gnosticism is still very new to me, and that's why I ask so many questions about it.

It is incredibly good to ask questions! Thats how we learn! *smiles*

[gnostic]

I have two translations of Philip, one by James Robinson's The Nag Hammadi Library, and one photocopy of Bentley Layton's Gnostic Scriptures: A New Translation with Annotations. There is a section on the three Marys. I am wondering which translation is the right one.

Originally Posted by Robinson's translation

There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary.

Originally Posted by Layton's translation

Three women always used to walk with the lord - Mary his mother, his sister and the Magdalene, who is called his companion. For "Mary" is the name of his sister and his mother, and it is the name of his partner.

The sister, is it "his" sister or "her" sister?

"Her sister" would make it Jesus' aunt.

[Buttons*]

ummm since they both say "he".....

[michel]

The 'best' accepted interpretation would appear to be from:-
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html
A sort extract............

THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY
The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gospel of Philip

Translated by Wesley W. Isenberg

A Hebrew makes another Hebrew, and such a person is called "proselyte". But a proselyte does not make another proselyte. [...] just as they [...] and make others like themselves, while others simply exist.
The slave seeks only to be free, but he does not hope to acquire the estate of his master. But the son is not only a son but lays claim to the inheritance of the father. Those who are heirs to the dead are themselves dead, and they inherit the dead. Those who are heirs to what is living are alive, and they are heirs to both what is living and the dead. The dead are heirs to nothing. For how can he who is dead inherit? If he who is dead inherits what is living he will not die, but he who is dead will live even more.
A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive. Since Christ came, the world has been created, the cities adorned, the dead carried out. When we were Hebrews, we were orphans and had only our mother, but when we became Christians, we had both father and mother.
Those who sow in winter reap in summer. The winter is the world, the summer the other Aeon (eternal realm). Let us sow in the world that we may reap in the summer. Because of this, it is fitting for us not to pray in the winter. Summer follows winter. But if any man reap in winter he will not actually reap but only pluck out, since it will not provide a harvest for such a person. It is not only [...] that it will [...] come forth, but also on the Sabbath [...] is barren.
Christ came to ransom some, to save others, to redeem others. He ransomed those who were strangers and made them his own. And he set his own apart, those whom he gave as a pledge according to his plan. It was not only when he appeared that he voluntarily laid down his life, but he voluntarily laid down his life from the very day the world came into being. Then he came first in order to take it, since it had been given as a pledge. It fell into the hands of robbers and was taken captive, but he saved it. He redeemed the good people in the world as well as the evil...........

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by gnostic

The sister, is it "his" sister or "her" sister?

"Her sister" would make it Jesus' aunt.

Looks like you got a typo, look at the first translation;

"There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary. "

The second sentence lists the sister as his sister.

Also, from a logical perspective, if you had several daughters, would you name two of them Mary? Surely only if you enjoy confusion.
It makes more sense for them to be mother and daughter.

[gnostic]

You're right, Halcyon.

It is typo from Robinson's book, therefore the translator false (Wesley W. Isenberg), which is the same as the translation in Gnosis Archive.