Gnostic creation (ritual, Earth, gospel, virgin, translation)

[gnostic]

The Gospel of the Egyptians give a different account to Creation/Cosmogony, than to tAoJ, which I find even more confusing.

So is Christ = Autogenes = Logos = Adamas?

In AoJ, (Pigera-)Adamas is not Autogenes.

And what is Doxomedon-aeon?

I'm sorry if I ask too many questions, but James Robinson's book doesn't have any footnotes, so sometimes, it is hard to understand what their texts are saying.

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by gnostic

The Gospel of the Egyptians give a different account to Creation/Cosmogony, than to tAoJ, which I find even more confusing.

So is Christ = Autogenes = Logos = Adamas?

In AoJ, (Pigera-)Adamas is not Autogenes.

And what is Doxomedon-aeon?

I'm sorry if I ask too many questions, but James Robinson's book doesn't have any footnotes, so sometimes, it is hard to understand what their texts are saying.

To be honest i read the gospel of the egyptions once, but didn't really like it. I'll re-read it and get back to you soon gnostic, unless of course Ashley beats me to it.

[gnostic]

You 2 make it sound like a (friendly) race.

I didn't like Egyptian Gospel as well, but it is an interesting comparison to that ofthe Apocryphon of John, but it was also based on the Sethian model. The other texts show the feminine principles play a more vital role than tGotE.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by gnostic

You 2 make it sound like a (friendly) race.

haha, no actually, i'm hoping he'll answer this stuff first... that way he cant laugh at me for messing up information... Cause Paul's a jerk like that... (*mutters something having to do with the "superiority" of english badgers*)

Originally Posted by gnostic

I didn't like Egyptian Gospel as well, but it is an interesting comparison to that ofthe Apocryphon of John, but it was also based on the Sethian model. The other texts show the feminine principles play a more vital role than tGotE.

You know, the Egyptian Gospels are really hard to get into. I read them when I was on a spiritual high, so it made sense at the time... but I havent read them in a while... You know, i should prolly read it again before responding to any more of this thread... (good idea Ashley... i know, i thought of it all by myself! ... shh, people are listening to us) > my personalities... *sigh*

Anyway! Egyptian gospels are really confusing. Out of the Sethian literature, I've always loved "Thunder"... it's comprehensible to me. But you asked about the Egyptian gospels... so ... i'm lost... *smiles* I'll read up more before i post again.

[gnostic]

I'd agree that The Thunder: Perfect Mind is wonderful.

It reminds me of The Hymn of the Pearl (my favourite). Although, the Pearl is not Gnostic, the theme is. The Pearl is mythical, mystical, allegorical and poetic. I'd prefer to reading something like the Pearl and Thunder than the Book of Revelation.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by gnostic

So is Christ = Autogenes = Logos = Adamas?

How I saw it: Christ is a title. Christ means annointed as well as messiah. Everyone has the oppertunity to become a Christ. Or "Christian" if you will, (little christ). This would imply that one has reached gnosis/perfect love/silence/understanding/perfection... take your pick. (from my understanding anyway *shrugs*) The whole thing with that is Yeshua was meant to be an allegorical story for Seth. Reasons for this: Yeshua was the manifistation of Seth, who was the personification/son of the perfect human, Adamas. Adamas lives with Silence, Barbelo, Sophia, and the other Gods in heaven, or in Silence... it seems as though he lives within himself, he is everything and nothing... all that confusing fun stuff. Logos is the divine word for God. Logos is the same person as Yeshua, Seth...who is the son of Adamas, who came from silence. (We're just trying to get back to the silence from whence we came.)

Originally Posted by gnostic

And what is Doxomedon-aeon?

I'm sorry if I ask too many questions, but James Robinson's book doesn't have any footnotes, so sometimes, it is hard to understand what their texts are saying.

I dont think i've ever seen the word Doxomedon. It's not in my translation... where did you find that word? I dont mind you asking questions, it actually gets me to read my Gnostic Bible, and that's always a good feeling. *smiles*

[gnostic]

My copy of the The Gospel of the Egyptians, come from James M. Robinson's book, Nag Hammadi Library (HarperSanFrancisco, 3rd completely revised edition, 1990), however this text was translated by Alexander Bohlig and Frederik Wisse. This translation is the same one found at Gnosis Archive, click here.
Doxomedon seemed to be a place, probably where the Invisible Spirit created Barbelo and Autogenes. But I am not sure. You'll 1st find in the 3rd paragraph (p 209), and again later (in next page of the book, p 210).

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by gnostic

My copy of the The Gospel of the Egyptians, come from James M. Robinson's book, Nag Hammadi Library (HarperSanFrancisco, 3rd completely revised edition, 1990), however this text was translated by Alexander Bohlig and Frederik Wisse. This translation is the same one found at Gnosis Archive, click here.
Doxomedon seemed to be a place, probably where the Invisible Spirit created Barbelo and Autogenes. But I am not sure. You'll 1st find in the 3rd paragraph (p 209), and again later (in next page of the book, p 210).

*is giddy with excitement* Okay, i found out what it is! Thank Gods for footnotes! *smiles* Meyer's edition is so much better.... anyways...

Domedon= (possibly) "lord of the house"
Doxomedon= "lord of glory"

[Godfather89]

If i could suggest a book read this one: The Secret Book of John Annotated and Explained by Skylight Illuminations. Great book describing the Gnostic Creation Myth.

[gnostic]

Thanks, Godfather89.