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Hi there,

I've been lucky enough to experience what I would rate as mystical states (not accessible to descriptive language) through my understanding of Buddhist practice. I've also done a lot of study into the brain, and studied philosophical issues in matters of the mind. At the conclusion of all this, I am left a contemplative observer of my own consciousness on a daily basis. One conclusion I've drawn from this journey is that ordinary woken/awake consciousness is no less mysterious than any mystical experience I can draw upon.

I'd be interested to hear from others that have undergone a similar journey, of which I am convinced there are many on these forums as to the validity of the premise in the OP.

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Hi there,

I've been lucky enough to experience what I would rate as mystical states (not accessible to descriptive language) through my understanding of Buddhist practice. I've also done a lot of study into the brain, and studied philosophical issues in matters of the mind. At the conclusion of all this, I am left a contemplative observer of my own consciousness on a daily basis. One conclusion I've drawn from this journey is that ordinary woken/awake consciousness is no less mysterious than any mystical experience I can draw upon.

I'd be interested to hear from others that have undergone a similar journey, of which I am convinced there are many on these forums as to the validity of the premise in the OP.

Aussie

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May I ask what counts as 'mystical state', and what meaning is derived from the mystical experience?
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Hi Ozzie,
There have been times, especially when surfing or on the mountains, that I have had experiences that I think could be described as mystical. Ordinary consciousness may be no less mysterious but in my case it also holds a longing to actually be in that extraordinary way.
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Hi Ozzie,
There have been times, especially when surfing or on the mountains, that I have had experiences that I think could be described as mystical. Ordinary consciousness may be no less mysterious but in my case it also holds a longing to actually be in that extraordinary way.
Ah surfing and mountains. Been there too. Garbled language to describe that. Was stoked! Any personal religious parable?
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May I ask what counts as 'mystical state', and what meaning is derived from the mystical experience?
Not really. It's your trip.
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I wish
Nope, I have the ability to feel these things but I'm resigning myself to the fact that I can't understand them.
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Nope, I have the ability to feel these things but I'm resigning myself to the fact that I can't understand them.
Have you delegated your ability to understand ordinary consciousness?
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Have you delegated your ability to understand ordinary consciousness?
No. Most certainly not. As an academic pursuit I am fascinated by consciousness. I suggest that there is no-one alive today who understands consciousness, either ordinary or extra-ordinary.
That is not to say that no-body ever will. However I don't see it happening soon, for starters I think we probably need some new words to attach to the plethora of phenomena currently designated as 'consciousness'.
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Hi, thank you for posting this.
I have recently had a what I have called a moment of supreme clarity, perhaps it is possible to call it a "Mystical" experience, as it was a transcendental experience of the Self. Now i find myself in a situation very similar to what you are describing as when I use thought process, it always comes from an analytical vewpoint of the observer.

Having this ability to observe the I am in its integrated separative action also has given me a higher form of awareness, where every seemingly mundane experience becomes something that in my previous state i would identify as remarkable, outstanding experience..
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