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Old 10-06-2009, 06:35 AM
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I wish people would stop making absolute statements about religion and atheism. It's possibly the most frustrating thing I experience on these boards. If you're going to say 'religion does this' please specify which religion and if you want to say something about atheism, ie/ 'atheists are all' please specify which and why. It would save a lot of arguments and offensiveness that I experience and what I see other people experiencing. I think everyone would benefit if we all tried to be more conscious of this.

Just thought I'd put that out there
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:44 AM
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I wish people would stop making absolute statements about religion and atheism. It's possibly the most frustrating thing I experience on these boards. If you're going to say 'religion does this' please specify which religion and if you want to say something about atheism, ie/ 'atheists are all' please specify which and why. It would save a lot of arguments and offensiveness that I experience and what I see other people experiencing. I think everyone would benefit if we all tried to be more conscious of this.

Just thought I'd put that out there
While I agree with the sentiment, there are many things we can attribute to religion as a whole...
Religion divides
Religion prejudges
etc...it doesn't really matter which religion, so long as each of the 1000s of different sects all believe they are right and everyone else is wrong.

whereas...atheism, simply being a non belief, or a lack of belief in a paranormal creator cannot be categorized in the same way.
In a way it's a silly word...we don't have a word for the non-belief in fairies...yet feel the need to create one for non-belief in unequally unprovable, and capricious entity.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Generalizations can render what is trying to be asserted relatively meaningless. Unfortunately, for some it's a habit of speech.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:47 AM
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Religion divides
Except in monism.

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Religion prejudges
Except in mysticism.

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etc...
Oh, yes, there's always that one.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:56 AM
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Except in monism.


Except in mysticism.
Not strictly religions in their own right.
Religion holds us back, prevents free discourse, is responsible for more atrocities from man to man and is a source of irrational behaviour.
Yes it is generalizing, but if we are to have a conversation completely without, then it would be a very long one, excluding all the individuals that the generalization doesn't concern.

"The Chinese have a very characteristic eye shape"... Try that comment, which is pretty much true, WITHOUT generalizing.
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OK, the belief in a supernatural being who takes a personal interest in the doings of individuals.

That IS religion.

Feel better now?
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Not strictly religions in their own right.
Religion holds us back, prevents free discourse, is responsible for more atrocities from man to man and is a source of irrational behaviour.
Yes it is generalizing, but if we are to have a conversation completely without, then it would be a very long one, excluding all the individuals that the generalization doesn't concern.

"The Chinese have a very characteristic eye shape"... Try that comment, which is pretty much true, WITHOUT generalizing.
What if you just said 'most religions' or 'Abrahamic religions' or 'eastern religions' depending on the context of course.
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OK, the belief in a supernatural being who takes a personal interest in the doings of individuals.

That IS religion.

Feel better now?
I'm not sure if you are joking right now. If you aren't then I should point out that many, many Hindus do not believe in God that 'takes a personal interest in the doings of individual' and neither do Buddhists and many others. So you would be wrong...unless you were joking.
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While I agree with the sentiment, there are many things we can attribute to religion as a whole...
Religion divides
Religion prejudges
etc...it doesn't really matter which religion, so long as each of the 1000s of different sects all believe they are right and everyone else is wrong.

whereas...atheism, simply being a non belief, or a lack of belief in a paranormal creator cannot be categorized in the same way.
In a way it's a silly word...we don't have a word for the non-belief in fairies...yet feel the need to create one for non-belief in unequally unprovable, and capricious entity.

Man I've been screaming that forever. lack of belief in fairies is call NON-FICTION hehe. I've got it!!! we just change Atheist to NonFicTheist!!
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I'm not sure if you are joking right now. If you aren't then I should point out that many, many Hindus do not believe in God that 'takes a personal interest in the doings of individual' and neither do Buddhists and many others. So you would be wrong...unless you were joking.
No, I WASN'T joking. Religion properly so called REQUIRES a supernatural being. It REQUIRES a set of proscriptions/prescriptions that aim to control individual behavior.

In the immortal words of Ann Coulter, "I believe in a real religion. You know, one with rules and things."
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