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Old 10-02-2009, 07:21 PM
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Thumbs up No FACTS = NO god !
I assert; No FACTS = NO god ! God / et cetera is a theory / thought, not a fact. Read the Oxford English Dictionary for what a 'fact' is. More, or less, it says a fact is a reality.

THE reason religion is called "theology" is; religion is the study of "the prime / most important thought." In the mīllenniums of monotheism* there have been many searching for the facts of god/devil/heaven/hell with no tangible results.

You "believe" in god? Good, but "belief" is not a statement of a tangible fact. IMO, the important part of Judaism / christianity is a version of an older rule "Do unto others ... " which was converted into "Love thy neighbor ... ".

IF god was tossed out of the window, and "Love thy neighbor ..." was fully practiced,what might be the outcome? Would we be executing criminals? Would we ignore the lesser ones? Practicing "Love thy neighbor ... " is one hell of a order / job, eh? I assert the job would be well worth it, both in the long, & short, run.

Just my thoughts.

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Old 10-02-2009, 08:08 PM
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Just because we currently don't have facts about something doesn't automatically mean it doesn't exist; it just means it's a bad idea to assert it as factual.

I believe aliens exist, but I will not assert that as fact. (Aliens, by the way, as in life on other planets, not the pilots of the oft-spotted flying saucers, pyramids, and cigars; I'm not going to bother guessing what those are.)

By the way, monotheism means a belief in a single God, not an automatic assertion that said God is factual.

Also, you might want to use a bigger font so your posts are easier to read.
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I'm failing to see the point, here. It sounds like you're saying that our society has the death penalty and ignores small crimes because there is a God, and that we would not have the death penalty or ignore small crimes if we all loved thy neighbor. If this is what you're saying, I disagree. If I misunderstood your point, I apologize, and respectfully request that you elaborate a bit on your thought.
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Facts are just shadows of a non-existent objective world.
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One reply upon this forum struck me. If you belieive in God and he is not a fact then is that really believing. I myself think their may be Aliens but I have never seen one so I don't believe in them.
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Hi CincyJim and welcome to the RF.

Just as a bit of warning from another fairly new member, be prepared for your head to spin with some of the responding posts. Even though you define "facts" in the OP, there will be some who will try to tell you that even though mankind has been searching for physical/tangible evidence of the "spiritual" realm pretty much since we as a species have been able to reason and has come away completely empty-handed, that doesn't mean that it does not in fact exist.

Basically, materialists like you and me only care about what can be proven whereas some here accept any cockamamie concept as entirely plausible and just because it hasn't been proven yet doesn't matter to them. It is the fact that they think it that makes it real. I am convinced that some of these people could build an entire religion around the Silmarillion and the Lord of the Rings series and they would make the same arguments in favor of such a belief system as they do presently.

Such thinking is completely outside my realm of personal experience and I have a hard time understanding it. However, understanding that it does in fact happen has helped me to refrain from taking such people very seriously.

Good luck.
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Just because we currently don't have facts about something doesn't automatically mean it doesn't exist...
Ta da! Man! I was totally right!!
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It must be great to be so sure of oneself. I wish I had that kind of confidence.
Doubt in one's beliefs is the only rational response to an irrational concept. The absence of doubt is simply a result of only believing that which can be proven. If you truly wish for such confidence, you should, perhaps, heave any irrational beliefs to the rubbish heap.
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