Does the human mind reflect spirituality or atheism?

[knockknock]

Ok guys, I’ve been contemplating this whole thing about evolution verses creation and the truth is, I just don’t know. I do understand natural selection and obviously this is truth but the idea that we could have evolved from nothing, with no meaning or purpose just doesn't ring true for me. When I try to think like this – well, I just can’t. It isn’t simply that I don’t want to; it’s truly that I can’t.


I can’t look at a plant or tree and imagine it means nothing to me, because it does. It reflects beauty and emotions that always make me think of God. Likewise for all of nature, even the bad parts. My question is; do you think the human mind reflects spirituality or a godless evolution?

Think about art, in its many variations and how it makes us feel. What about love and all it encompasses. We are eccentric, intelligent, emotional and on the whole, pretty spiritual beings and I just don’t see how such a strong personality can arise out of nothing. What do you think?

[atotalstranger]

Although ants are very simple creatures, and have nothing approaching intellgence as we define it, the collective behaviors of the multitude of individual insects in ant hive result in a number of intricate and complex activities, which seemingly could only be the result of a purposeful intelligence. Emergent phenomena are interesting like that.

[Ghostaka]

Man I can tell you, that the mind/soul can't be fully at peace without some form of submission to God. That is how we are designed. We can think that we are at "peace" in atheism but as you've seen yourself... after some deep contemplation... and looking at the world/nature you feel different.

People just let me say this without the verbal beatings:

It is Satan's personal mission to make you think that by not following what God has revealed etc. is freedom. Transgressing against limits prescribed by God seems like "freedom" but it just isn't.

This world is a test; therefore we are made for something. People can say that the human race just came to be but everything about how the Earth supports us shows otherwise. We need God but He doesn't need us... so believing in Him etc. is like doing yourself a favor to seek some type of reward for your worship of Him.

BTW KnockKnock, it is God that allows you to ponder on those thoughts you are having... otherwise you'd be rock solid atheist and would have never started this thread.

Now watch the atheists attempt to extinguish your thoughts and my comment....

Peace be upon you.

[Engyo]

Originally Posted by Ghostaka

Man I can tell you, that the mind/soul can't be fully at peace without some form of submission to God. That is how we are designed. We can think that we are at "peace" in atheism but as you've seen yourself... after some deep contemplation... and looking at the world/nature you feel different.

Peace be upon you too, Ghostaka -

But I must respectfully disagree with you about requiring submission to a supernatural being in order to be fully at peace. I do not find this to be true. Some of the most peaceful people I have ever met were not theists. Some of the angriest and least peaceful people I have ever met were staunch theists. These are my experiences. I do not deny your experience, but I cannot agree.

[CarlinKnew]

You say, and I believe you, that you think it's impossible that the universe could have come from nothing. We are indeed a part of a complex universe. But think of how much more complex a god would need to be to create this universe. Why is it more likely to you that an infinitely more complex god came from nothing rather than that the universe came from nothing and gradually became what it is today over billions of years?

[Engyo]

Originally Posted by knockknock

My question is; do you think the human mind reflects spirituality or a godless evolution?

Think about art, in its many variations and how it makes us feel. What about love and all it encompasses. We are eccentric, intelligent, emotional and on the whole, pretty spiritual beings and I just don’t see how such a strong personality can arise out of nothing. What do you think?

Hi, KK -

I don't think that a godless evolution means a lack of spirituality, it just means the lack of a creator god. There is plenty of spirituality and appreciation of beauty in the human mind; I just don't think it was put there by a supreme being.

[Ghostaka]

Originally Posted by Engyo

Some of the most peaceful people I have ever met were not theists. Some of the angriest and least peaceful people I have ever met were staunch theists. These are my experiences. I do not deny your experience, but I cannot agree.

No doubt, I have seen this as well. But I think that particular aspect of peace or anger emanates from one's personality, aided by accuracy of their belief (or lack thereof). I fully respect your thoughts as well .

Peace be upon you.

[knockknock]

Originally Posted by CarlinKnew

You say, and I believe you, that you think it's impossible that the universe could have come from nothing. We are indeed a part of a complex universe. But think of how much more complex a god would need to be to create this universe. Why is it more likely to you that an infinitely more complex god came from nothing rather than that the universe came from nothing and gradually became what it is today over billions of years?

I don't discount the fact that god may have created us via evolution, I do believe he created the whole universe and all its complexities, I suppose I was wondering how such a mind as a human's could evolve without any spiritual input and I suppose that is a question for the atheists amongst us.

[knockknock]

Originally Posted by Engyo

Hi, KK -

I don't think that a godless evolution means a lack of spirituality, it just means the lack of a creator god. There is plenty of spirituality and appreciation of beauty in the human mind; I just don't think it was put there by a supreme being.

When I say God, for me it encompasses the spiritual side of my nature. I have no idea who are what that God is and I don't belong to any religion but my own, viewed from my own perspective. A creator God could be far more complex and dynamic than the one people see via the old testament because it is taken too literal.

I can't say much more at this point as my mind is tired (UK based) but thanks for the responses so far.

[knockknock]

Originally Posted by atotalstranger

Although ants are very simple creatures, and have nothing approaching intellgence as we define it, the collective behaviors of the multitude of individual insects in ant hive result in a number of intricate and complex activities, which seemingly could only be the result of a purposeful intelligence. Emergent phenomena are interesting like that.

Ants are amazing, bee's too. Totally facinating populations.