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Old 07-02-2009, 09:00 AM
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Thumbs up PROOF: Gnostic/Canon scriptures written same time-frame!

But the most compelling and indisputable proof that all Christian scriptures were written by the Apostles and all in the same time frame is that both Canon/Gnostic do not record a significant event that took place in early Christian life, the Temple destruction. This event isn't documented in no Christian literature, not the Canon, nor the Gnostic. Surely this cataclysmic event spoken by Jesus would have made the pages if these texts were written afterwards.

When were the Books of the New Testament Written?

30 A.D. : Jesus is Crucified, Dies and is Resurrected

35 A.D. : Gospel of Matthew

42 A.D. : Gospel of Mark
42 A.D. : Gospel of John

59 A.D. : Gospel of Luke

64 to 65 A.D. :Book of 1Peter
66 to 67 A.D . : Book of Jude

THESE DATES ARE TOO FAR BETWEEN

Yet the Apostles Gospels are pretty much similar. So why are their dates so far between? Because these are the surviving copies. All Christian scriptures (Canon/Gnostic) were written by the Apostles in the same time-frame. The birth of Christianity conflicted with the Roman worship and as Christians went underground many copies were made to ensure that it would survive the persecution.

Christianity was illegal under Roman law. Christians were persecuted and their manuscripts confiscated this how the Empire later was able to compile the New Testament. And at first when Christianity was legalised the many Roman councils removed Gnostic text that conflicted with Roman Worship, decades later however, the Empire abandoned their pagan faith and accepted Jesus (Christianity) but the lost Books were never put back.

This validates that Gnostic literature's must be accepted in order to complete the faith called Christianity. Everything about the Christian faith is based on what Jesus said, everything, because Jesus is the cornerstone of that faith!

And another note: This is also why there are many copies found of the same text of the dead sea scrolls and codex. Many copies were made, some survived better then others explaining the multiple copies. The Dialogue of the Savior is single surviving copy. Written for Jesus as he spoke to his Apostles. What a treat!

The Dialogue of the Savior -- The Nag Hammadi Library
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When were the Books of the New Testament Written?[/url]

30 A.D. : Jesus is Crucified, Dies and is Resurrected

35 A.D. : Gospel of Matthew

42 A.D. : Gospel of Mark
42 A.D. : Gospel of John

59 A.D. : Gospel of Luke

64 to 65 A.D. :Book of 1Peter
66 to 67 A.D . : Book of Jude
Rubbish. Why repeat such drivel?
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Shame it's still wrong!
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People that accept what the Empire accepted as the Christian faith are accepting incomplete Christian beliefs because the Empire who compiled the New Testment were Pagans, and did not sellect all books with the words of Jesus .

FACT: Jesus was crucified!
FACT: Apostles were martyred!
FACT: Christians were persecuted!

The Fact that these events took place proves beyond doubt that Jesus was real. That the Apostles were killed for writing down his teachings. That the Christians were persecuted for continuing in making copies only to have the same Empire that confirmed these events turn around and compile the New Testament excluding texts (Gnostic) that interfered with their Roman worship is proof of authority that Christian scriptures were written originally by the Apostles through the actions that the Romans (authorities of that era) took in consequence of these events.

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30-60
Passion Narrative
40-80
Lost Sayings Gospel Q
50-60
1 Thessalonians
50-60
Philippians
50-60
Galatians
50-60
1 Corinthians
50-60
2 Corinthians
50-60
Romans
50-60
Philemon
50-80
Colossians
50-90
Signs Gospel
50-95
Book of Hebrews
50-120
Didache
50-140
Gospel of Thomas
50-140
Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
50-200
Sophia of Jesus Christ
65-80
Gospel of Mark
70-100
Epistle of James
70-120
Egerton Gospel
70-160
Gospel of Peter
70-160
Secret Mark
70-200
Fayyum Fragment
70-200
Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
73-200
Mara Bar Serapion
80-100
2 Thessalonians
80-100
Ephesians
80-100
Gospel of Matthew
80-110
1 Peter
80-120
Epistle of Barnabas
80-130
Gospel of Luke
80-130
Acts of the Apostles
80-140
1 Clement
80-150
Gospel of the Egyptians
80-150
Gospel of the Hebrews
80-250
Christian Sibyllines
90-95
Apocalypse of John
90-120
Gospel of John
90-120
1 John
90-120
2 John
90-120
3 John
90-120
Epistle of Jude
93
Flavius Josephus
100-150
1 Timothy
100-150
2 Timothy
100-150
Titus
100-150
Apocalypse of Peter
100-150
Secret Book of James
100-150
Preaching of Peter
100-160
Gospel of the Ebionites
100-160
Gospel of the Nazoreans
100-160
Shepherd of Hermas
100-160
2 Peter


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Childish attempts to shift the burden of proof do little but further expose you.
No I believe there's a link backing my claim.

We have yet to see any relevance on your behalf.
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Prove otherwise!
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THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW
Gospel Of Matthew
When were the gospels written and by whom? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

The Gospel of Mark - ReligionFacts
Dating and Origins of Mark’s Gospel: When Was the Gospel According to Mark Written?
THE GOSPEL OF MARK

There's a lot of information on 2 in particular because these are the "earliest" in your opinion, being made only a few years after.

Is that enough?
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No I believe there's a link backing my claim.
How fortunate for you ...
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You call this accurate?

"Various estimates have placed the date of Matthew's composition anywhere from AD 50 - to AD 100."

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In case you haven't notice, it makes no difference on how scholars disagree on dates, because the argument in the OP is air-tight regardless where the expert put those dates. The Apostles originally wrote all Christian scriptures!
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