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Old 02-26-2009, 10:17 AM
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We have the Scriptures, and when. I received Him by faith, His Spirit came inside me to enable me to understand those Scriptures. That, of course, doesn't imply inffallability on my part!
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How about he just show up?
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Jesus said 'You will. Know the truth and the truth will set you free', so to that degree it is a 'yes'
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Yeh. That probably is gross for you. For us it is reinstatement of life. Beyond your imagination!
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Does the God of the Bible withhold evidence that would convince more people to accept him?
No good teacher gives their students all the answers. Is it God's job to just tell us everything? Perhaps His job is to teach us how to think for ourself....

Weaning—or Encouraging
Autonomous Learning
By Larry D. Spence, School of Information
Sciences
and Technology, Penn State,


At 8:30 a.m. she stood up in class. I
wanted to sit. She glared, shooting
me with her eyes. “I’m paying good

money for this class,” her thin hands shook.
“My parents are sacrificing. It’s your job to
just tell us what this book means.”


She waved a worn copy of Immanuel Kant’s es-
say, On the Old Saw: That May be True in
Theory, but It Does Not Apply in Practice.


“I can do that, but it will burden the rest
of your life.”
“What do you mean?”
“You will always have to take me with
you. If you marry, I’ll be there. On your hon-
eymoon, I’ll be there. You will need a special
room to keep me in your house. I misplace
coffee cups and scatter paper clips. I’ll need a
desk next to yours at work. A special seat
where I can work in your car…”

“Stop it,” she shouted. “I don’t want to
drag a professor through life.”
“Good,” I said. “Then I can’t tell you what
the book means. Think of all the books, ar-
ticles, policy papers, and memos that you
will have to read. If you don’t know how to
understand them, you will be lost as a citi-
zen, a worker, and an individual. So you can
either figure out what Kant means or you
can adopt me for life.”


The class’s growing laughter filled the
room as they imagined living with a seri-
ously uncool prof. “But aren’t you paid to
teach us? How am I supposed to know
what this old German guy meant?” asked a
burly tight end.


“No, it is my job to see that you learn
how to discover the meaning yourself.”
“This class is weird,” came a comment
from the baseball cap section.
Students’ expectation that I could explain
the world marred every course I taught. Their
intellectual dependence was frightening. On
bad days, they were so docile and dependent
I understood how good storm troopers were
made.


John Abbot writes that
we should adopt the biological idea of wean-
ing to direct our educational efforts. Young
children should have plentiful help and di-
rection. Then we should gradually back off as
children take over their own learning. He
argues that to adopt the weaning model, we
have to turn the current system upside down.
Lots of resources for teaching in small classes
should be spent in the earliest years. The
resources we now expend in colleges and
university should be curtailed. By the time
students reach adolescence, they should be
self-directed.


Is he right? Does the system encourage
intellectual dependency, wasting the creativ-
ity and curiosity of youth? Is it too late to
wean them in higher education – to move
them away from dependence on formal
instruction to become free-range learners?
Current research on the biology of learning

backs Abbot’s contentions. My own experi-
ence attracts me to the idea.


But, oh, in the classroom the dependency is
sticky and thick. Students seem confused,
indifferent, and desirous only of getting this
grade, that course, and eventually the big-
ticket degree. The best strive for that special
relationship, “teacher’s pet.” They work to say
all those things that feed faculty egos. For
many years, I saw little hope for developing
autonomous learners. Then I made a discovery.

A group of my students toured with a
national champion drum and bugle corps. I
went to see them perform. Their precision,
quality, and panache astounded me. I could
not believe they were the same creatures
that shuffled through my courses. They
worked twelve hours a day on their musical
skills, slept on gym floors, and were driven
from city to city without relief. They were
disciplined adults.


I walked away with words like “co-depen-
dency” and “enabling” ringing in my ears. My
best efforts taught students that to learn was
to follow instructions. They didn’t need that or
my careful explanations, or my crafted syllabi.
They needed access to the world’s scholarship

and some tough coaching like they got in the
bugle corps. And most of all they needed
choice and opportunities to pursue their own
passions for inquiry and expression.


Maybe we smother the best learning instincts of our students. Seymour Papert
writes, “The scandal of education is that every
time you teach something, you deprive a child
of the pleasure and benefit of discovery.”
Maybe we should stop chewing and pre-
digesting the intellectual food we give our
students. We need not joke and enact an
excitement we wish they had. We need to
focus on the learning and not the comfort
of the learners.

In earlier times, people took the passion
and energy of adolescents as signs of matu-
rity. They weaned them on responsibilities.
The impetuous George Washington was sur-
veying frontier lands by the age of sixteen.
By 21, with only a few months of formal
education, he could ford rivers, chart moun-
tains, charm legislators, and lead troops.
Lord Fairfax wrote his mother that he was

“a man who will go to school all his life.”
Washington’s classrooms were the forest, the
battlefield, and the halls of government. He
never asked what was going to be on the final.

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Yeah, but they do tend to show up to class.
George washington seemed to do pretty well without teachers, without any classes...

"The impetuous George Washington was sur-
veying frontier lands by the age of sixteen.
By 21, with only a few months of formal
education, he could ford rivers, chart moun-
tains, charm legislators, and lead troops.
Lord Fairfax wrote his mother that he was

“a man who will go to school all his life.”
Washington’s classrooms were the forest, the
battlefield, and the halls of government. He
never asked what was going to be on the final."







.... what better way to teach us to think/act for ourself then to leave us by ourself for a bit?


11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I grew up, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians13:11 - 12)

I think God wants us to grow up so He can have a meaningful relashonship with us...
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