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Old 12-01-2008, 07:55 AM
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A concept which has always interested me is the age of the Sun....if God did indeed create the Universe, did he deliberately create a Sun which would eventually consume (maybe) the Earth? or is this evidence that Science is the only explanation of the universe? I am one as you may know from other posts on this forum to say that science and religion can coexist, however this is a subject which I am yet to decide on.

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The Sun's current main sequence age, determined using computer models of stellar evolution and nucleocosmochronology, is thought to be about 4.57 billion years.
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The Sun is about halfway through its main-sequence evolution, during which nuclear fusion reactions in its core fuse hydrogen into helium. Each second, more than 4 million tonnes of matter are converted into energy within the Sun's core, producing neutrinos and solar radiation; at this rate, the Sun will have so far converted around 100 Earth-masses of matter into energy. The Sun will spend a total of approximately 10 billion years as a main sequence star.
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Earth's fate is unclear. As a red giant, the Sun will have a maximum radius beyond the Earth's current orbit, 1 AU (1.5×1011 m), 250 times the present radius of the Sun.
Now many people say that we don't have to worry because by the time the Sun does enter its red giant phase, we will probably be living on another planet anyway. However does this fit in with religion? What are your views on this from a religious perspective or a scientific one or both?
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Scripture says that, because of sin, this world is subject to decay and death. When the problem, sin, is resolved, I suggest potential dangers to the longevity of the earth (i.e., the sun and the earth being subject to decay) will likewise be resolved. That's part of the fun of belonging to an eschatologically minded religion!
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However does this fit in with religion? What are your views on this from a religious perspective or a scientific one or both?
The question might be in what way are we going to incorporate it into our religious beliefs. the Catholic church is an example of a religious body having no other option other than to change its past stances because of scientific revelation.

either way, this is so far in the future that we can invoke visions which are fantastic at large.
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Not only will we likely be living on other planets by then, our very species WILL be extinct by then.
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Scripture says that, because of sin, this world is subject to decay and death. When the problem, sin, is resolved, I suggest potential dangers to the longevity of the earth (i.e., the sun and the earth being subject to decay) will likewise be resolved. That's part of the fun of belonging to an eschatologically minded religion!
Hang on... are you seriously suggesting that the Sun will expand into a red giant specifically because some people on Earth are bad?
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Unless I misread, I was under the impression that within the Bible, it's stated that the earth will go up in flames. Whether the sun engulfes us, we're bombed by meteors or we blow each other up with nukes...science is kind of tucked and folded into the lot of it.
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Hang on... are you seriously suggesting that the Sun will expand into a red giant specifically because some people on Earth are bad?
Nonono, quite the opposite! I'm saying that the earth will be preserved from destruction because God has promised that he will transform creation one day so that it is filled with love, life, and justice. He won't allow the earth to be destroyed.
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Unless I misread, I was under the impression that within the Bible, it's stated that the earth will go up in flames. Whether the sun engulfes us, we're bombed by meteors or we blow each other up with nukes...it science is kind of tucked and folded into the lot of it.
Yes, you've misread. Romans 8, among other places, makes clear that God has in mind a new creation on analogy with our resurrection. Just as your present body will be resurrected to new life, so will creation. Your body won't be utterly consumed and destroyed in this process. There will be an intimate connection between your present body and your future one. God will not destroy and re-create you. He will flood your corpse with life. The same picture holds for all of creation.
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Scripture says that, because of sin, this world is subject to decay and death. When the problem, sin, is resolved, I suggest potential dangers to the longevity of the earth (i.e., the sun and the earth being subject to decay) will likewise be resolved.
The sun will not enter a red giant phase because some apes on a planet will stop behaving badly....

Ridiculous!!!
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The sun will not enter a red giant phase because some apes on a planet will stop behaving badly....

Ridiculous!!!
Read his next post.
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